Windows Desktop Search 3.0 beta 2 is live! | The Coffeehouse

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

Go get your paws on it! Smiley

Ws03: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C41F35B3-CFD9-4DC0-9716-4FE2DB6E9935

Ws03 x64: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=6270F270-8D51-494F-91A0-4754CFBDE2D3

XP: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0C1AE7C6-C548-4184-B575-7AB3913547D2

XP x64: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=BB9CAF06-7BEE-4E21-B8F8-F9F92F1B842E

And keep that feedback coming please....

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

PaoloM wrote:

Go get your paws on it!

Ws03: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=C41F35B3-CFD9-4DC0-9716-4FE2DB6E9935

Ws03 x64: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=6270F270-8D51-494F-91A0-4754CFBDE2D3

XP: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=0C1AE7C6-C548-4184-B575-7AB3913547D2

XP x64: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyId=BB9CAF06-7BEE-4E21-B8F8-F9F92F1B842E

And keep that feedback coming please....

So I can install this over my Office 2007 install version and get a UI back?

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

Yes.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

PaoloM wrote:
Yes.

HURRAH! When I boot up my work laptop tomorrow it'll go straight on!

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

Notice those little things like 64 bit support and UI. Plus it will work on Office 2007 beta 2 and the upcoming beta 2 technical refresh.

The main difference is that it runs as a system service, instead of a user process.

I'll try to answer any question you guys come up with right here on Channel 9.

AndyC

Is it power management aware this time, or should I expect my battery life to halve if I install it?

Rossj

PaoloM wrote:
Notice those little things like 64 bit support and UI. Plus it will work on Office 2007 beta 2 and the upcoming beta 2 technical refresh.

The main difference is that it runs as a system service, instead of a user process.

I'll try to answer any question you guys come up with right here on Channel 9.

Damn, I'd left work by the time you posted this - I will be trying this out tomorrow when I am nearer to a PC Smiley

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

AndyC wrote:
Is it power management aware this time, or should I expect my battery life to halve if I install it?

It is power management aware, however I have to check if those bits went into the beta 2 build.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Is there an exposed API where we can query our data?

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PaoloM wrote:

AndyC wrote: Is it power management aware this time, or should I expect my battery life to halve if I install it?

It is power management aware, however I have to check if those bits went into the beta 2 build.

It appears to still be indexing on my laptop when on battery, so I guess not.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:

PaoloM wrote:

AndyC wrote: Is it power management aware this time, or should I expect my battery life to halve if I install it?

It is power management aware, however I have to check if those bits went into the beta 2 build.

It appears to still be indexing on my laptop when on battery, so I guess not.

*IF* the power management bits are in the beta (I believe they are), this behaviour is normal. Indexing will continue until the battery reaches 25%, then it'll completely stop. The usual backoff rules (user activity, disk activity etc) still apply regarding the indexer speed.

The main difference is that WDS 2.6.5 had this limit set to 100% (effectively blocking indexing while on battery power) with the option to set it to 25% (if you checked "Index while on battery power" in the options dialog).

If we see real world issues with this change (after all, a beta is for gathering feedback Smiley

) we will either change the threshold or provide a powertoy to configure it.

LaBomba
Summer

Will WDS be pre-installed with Vista?

It should be built-in.

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Almost a bug:

WDS indexed my Temporary Internet Files by default... yikes!

Cybermagellan
Live for nothing, or die for everything

LaBomba wrote:
Will WDS be pre-installed with Vista?

It should be built-in.

if I am correct from talking with Paolo, yes. That's the engine that drive the search from the start bar.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:
Almost a bug:

WDS indexed my Temporary Internet Files by default... yikes!

I know. It's already been fixed, but we were too late for including the code in beta 2 Sad

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

Cybermagellan wrote:

LaBomba wrote: Will WDS be pre-installed with Vista?

It should be built-in.

if I am correct from talking with Paolo, yes. That's the engine that drive the search from the start bar.

Yes, in part. The indexing engine is the same for XP, Win2k3 and Vista. The UI in WDS 3.0 is specific to XP/2k3 because Vista already provides search boxes pretty much everywhere.

AndyC

PaoloM wrote:

*IF* the power management bits are in the beta (I believe they are), this behaviour is normal. Indexing will continue until the battery reaches 25%, then it'll completely stop. The usual backoff rules (user activity, disk activity etc) still apply regarding the indexer speed.

Sounds pretty undesirable to me. Quite inside from the reduction in battery life (which was far from insignificant in the previous version), it was responsible for my tablet getting very, very hot. I'd certainly expect it to back off significantly on battery (else I'm likely to end up switching it off)

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

AndyC wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
*IF* the power management bits are in the beta (I believe they are), this behaviour is normal. Indexing will continue until the battery reaches 25%, then it'll completely stop. The usual backoff rules (user activity, disk activity etc) still apply regarding the indexer speed.

Sounds pretty undesirable to me. Quite inside from the reduction in battery life (which was far from insignificant in the previous version), it was responsible for my tablet getting very, very hot. I'd certainly expect it to back off significantly on battery (else I'm likely to end up switching it off)

There is a fairly heated discussion going on internally about this. The issue basically boils down to: do we want to have everything indexed in real time, all the time, or can we deal with not indexing but saving battery power?

Some customers want one way, some want the other; we'll take in account your feedback when we make the decision for the final bits.

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AndyC wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
*IF* the power management bits are in the beta (I believe they are), this behaviour is normal. Indexing will continue until the battery reaches 25%, then it'll completely stop. The usual backoff rules (user activity, disk activity etc) still apply regarding the indexer speed.

Sounds pretty undesirable to me. Quite inside from the reduction in battery life (which was far from insignificant in the previous version), it was responsible for my tablet getting very, very hot. I'd certainly expect it to back off significantly on battery (else I'm likely to end up switching it off)

Agreed. At least give us the option to have it pause indexing even at 100% battery.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

PaoloM wrote:

Some customers want one way, some want the other; we'll take in account your feedback when we make the decision for the final bits.

How about a toggle? Lots of other software has options to switch off or not when the battery kicks in.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:

AndyC wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
*IF* the power management bits are in the beta (I believe they are), this behaviour is normal. Indexing will continue until the battery reaches 25%, then it'll completely stop. The usual backoff rules (user activity, disk activity etc) still apply regarding the indexer speed.

Sounds pretty undesirable to me. Quite inside from the reduction in battery life (which was far from insignificant in the previous version), it was responsible for my tablet getting very, very hot. I'd certainly expect it to back off significantly on battery (else I'm likely to end up switching it off)

Agreed. At least give us the option to have it pause indexing even at 100% battery.

You can always hit "Snooze indexing"...

Yes yes, I'm joking. Smiley

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

blowdart wrote:

PaoloM wrote:

Some customers want one way, some want the other; we'll take in account your feedback when we make the decision for the final bits.

How about a toggle? Lots of other software has options to switch off or not when the battery kicks in.

Yes, that's why I was saying that we'll probably provide a powertoy (kinda like TweakUI) or some other way to control these details.

The big problem here is that this engine is shared by Vista and "downlevel" platforms. Vista has a very sophisticated power saving scheme that works nicely with the indexer, but XP has just a binary state (power/battery). By virtue (?) of being the same code, adding some UI to switch indexing on and off would not make sense if you were running Vista, and we're trying to keep the system as "working transparently" as we can.

Still, let me find out one thing...

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

PaoloM wrote:
Yes, that's why I was saying that we'll probably provide a powertoy (kinda like TweakUI) or some other way to control these details.

That does make me worry a little that something that's so basic for laptop users should be "hidden" in a power toy. How do you decide what is and isn't power toy material?

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

blowdart wrote:

PaoloM wrote: Yes, that's why I was saying that we'll probably provide a powertoy (kinda like TweakUI) or some other way to control these details.

That does make me worry a little that something that's so basic for laptop users should be "hidden" in a power toy. How do you decide what is and isn't power toy material?

The indexing engine (and its related control panel applet) is shared between Vista and XP. Vista will not have this problem thanks to its much improved power saving scheme, so it would be confusing to add this particular piece of UI only for downlevel clients.

That said, things are not written in stone. Yet.

Cyonix
Me

PaoloM wrote:

blowdart wrote:

PaoloM wrote: Yes, that's why I was saying that we'll probably provide a powertoy (kinda like TweakUI) or some other way to control these details.

That does make me worry a little that something that's so basic for laptop users should be "hidden" in a power toy. How do you decide what is and isn't power toy material?

The indexing engine (and its related control panel applet) is shared between Vista and XP. Vista will not have this problem thanks to its much improved power saving scheme, so it would be confusing to add this particular piece of UI only for downlevel clients.

That said, things are not written in stone. Yet.

I think you should change the UI for XP to include this option. It makes sense to show it in XP and allows me to tell "normal users" (such as my mum) how to change it without making her download a powertool.

Peolple will be expecting things to change in Vista so dont worry about the persistance between the XP control and Vista control.