Posted By: jmacdonagh | Sep 12th, 2006 @ 11:29 AM
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brian.shapiro wrote:

 


This is what they call "spin".

Please post some content next time.  Thanks!
PaoloM
PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Rossj wrote:

PaoloM wrote: I am having the worst experiences with Apple software lately, is it just me? Or maybe there's some tiny bit of overhype going around the Mac circles?


People do seem to be having trouble, although personally I must have been lucky and got a different version of iTunes to you ... mine works fine (although it was a little slow in retrieving so much album art).

On my Mac it runs like lightning but I suppose that is to be expected - maybe Apple releasing bad Windows software is payback for MSN on OSX?

Well, the ONLY reason iTunes is installed on my machine is to interface with the iPod. The only reason I own an iPod is because there was a good car kit for my car.

I find iTunes to be really a badly written piece of software, it looks like it's not using multithreading at all, and now with anapod I finally have another way to sync the iPod.

Seriously, I couldn't write software that bad even if I tried...
PaoloM wrote:

Well, the ONLY reason iTunes is installed on my machine is to interface with the iPod. The only reason I own an iPod is because there was a good car kit for my car.

I find iTunes to be really a badly written piece of software, it looks like it's not using multithreading at all, and now with anapod I finally have another way to sync the iPod.


It uses quite a few threads on OSX, so I can only assume it is a different code base, although I thought it was written in some sort of Carbon-Win32 library.

I don't have a PC handy at the moment, any chance you could try pslist -d (sysinternals) to see how many threads it is running with? I've seen 3 installations on fairly mediocre PCs today and it runs fine on all of them ..

PaoloM wrote:

Seriously, I couldn't write software that bad even if I tried...


Aha - someone else who denies being part of the MSN Mgr on Mac team Smiley Seriously though, no company is exempt from delivering bad software ...
PaoloM
PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Rossj wrote:
I don't have a PC handy at the moment, any chance you could try pslist -d (sysinternals) to see how many threads it is running with? I've seen 3 installations on fairly mediocre PCs today and it runs fine on all of them ..

I'll try tonight, but I'm heading out of town for the weekend and not sure if I'll get any results...
Rossj wrote:
Aha - someone else who denies being part of the MSN Mgr on Mac team

Everybody knows what I do. Wink
Rossj wrote:
Seriously though, no company is exempt from delivering bad software ...

Absolutely. And software has bugs, software is not perfect, etc etc...

What irks me is (luckily not here) the constant gushing and swooning over anything Apple on the part of the maclots, even if it's not warranted at all.

For example, I remember clearly the comments on the tone of:

maclot: TV shows are available for download! Apple wins Christmas!
non-maclot: they are 320x240, they'll suck on your TV
maclot: you don't have a good TV anyways, horray for Apple!


then...

maclot: TV shows at 640x480 are available for download! Apple wins Christmas!
non-maclot: I though you said 320x240 was enough...
maclot: For you peecee whiners! Only retards encode shows at 320x240. Apple is too good to do that.
non-maclot: ...


Trust me, I saw pretty much these exact exchanges happen.
PaoloM wrote:

What irks me is (luckily not here) the constant gushing and swooning over anything Apple on the part of the maclots, even if it's not warranted at all.


We're lame like that sometimes - Apple gets away with a lot just because they are 'cool'.  As I've mentioned elsewhere before Microsoft doesn't get away with nearly as much because they are still living down their reputation from years and years and years ago.  I am sure it will change in the future Smiley

Enjoy your weekend.
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CannotResolveSymbol
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On the subject of iTunes performance:

iTunes 7 runs beautifully on my 1.86 GHz Pentium M.  However, it does not run well at all on my roomate's 2.4 GHz Pentium 4 (starts stuttering and distorting whenever you do something simple like adding album art).  I think it's just inconsistent.

Re threads:

Process Explorer shows 6 threads that belong to iTunes.exe and one QuickTimeAudioSupport thread (there are more QuickTime threads, but that's the one that seems to have regular processor activity.  So it is multi-threaded (whether it's done in such a fashion as to actually make a difference, I don't know).
That's got me wondering whether it is CPU hungry, and being starved ... do you and your friend have any big deltas in the number of processes running (or mem usage)?  I am tempted to pop into work early tomorrow to try out some different scenarios so I can file a bug report Smiley


Without wanting to point out the obvious - but wanting to avoid anyone accussing me of being thread-happy, the use of threads doesn't guarantee good performance - it could just as well damage it if used badly.


Rossj wrote:


We're lame like that sometimes - Apple gets away with a lot just because they are 'cool'.  As I've mentioned elsewhere before Microsoft doesn't get away with nearly as much because they are still living down their reputation from years and years and years ago.  I am sure it will change in the future

Enjoy your weekend.

As I've (and others) have mentioned in Vista threads, this is still Microsoft's responsibility here, at least with respect to its OS products.  MS certainly has the "cool factor" with the Xbox/360 - because they're generally well-designed products.

If MS wants to have Apple's style cache, then simply start paying attention to the fine details in their products, especially with regards to aesthetics.  From my experience with Vista, they're deserving of their current reputation.  MS can change their reputation with attractive products, sustained over a long period of time.  They just have to start making design a significant focus of their products as Apple does, and the "oohs and ahhs" will come from the public in due time.
Nitz Walsh wrote:

If MS wants to have Apple's style cache, then simply start paying attention to the fine details in their products, especially with regards to aesthetics. 


Exactly, it is almost all about the detail. Details matter and the one impression I get from a lot of Microsoft products, is that nobody cares about the details. On a related note, nobody cares about the complexity either, or how one person is supposed to consume the output of 1000 developers - but that is another post Smiley
eddwo
eddwo
Wheres my head at?
In the presentation Steve showed off the option to sync the {x} most recent unwatched episodes of a TV show to an iPod, is that flexibility also available for syncing Podcasts?

I actually asked for that feature a year ago, so it will be nice to see if it has actually been implemented.

(Actually thinking about it more you could probably do it by creating a smart playlist for each podcast, matching on album name, filtering to a playcount of 0, ordering by date added and limiting to one item, and then making another smart playlist that aggregates all the items in each of the individual podcast playlists for syncing to the ipod, but thats rather a lot of configuration to set up for a fairly simple requirement.)

At the moment I only have access to a Shuffle which doesn't have the option of syncing podcasts at all..

My Nano went missing some time ago, at the moment I'm using my Rio Karma in my car. I still have a Nano dock, radio remote, and about 1000 iTunes tracks, so I'm rather pointed in that direction when looking for a replacement, but the Zune is tempting too.

PaoloM wrote:
What irks me is (luckily not here) the constant gushing and swooning over anything Apple on the part of the maclots, even if it's not warranted at all.

For example, I remember clearly the comments on the tone of:

maclot: TV shows are available for download! Apple wins Christmas!
non-maclot: they are 320x240, they'll suck on your TV
maclot: you don't have a good TV anyways, horray for Apple!


then...

maclot: TV shows at 640x480 are available for download! Apple wins Christmas!
non-maclot: I though you said 320x240 was enough...
maclot: For you peecee whiners! Only retards encode shows at 320x240. Apple is too good to do that.
non-maclot: ...


Trust me, I saw pretty much these exact exchanges happen.


Hey, they only follow their leader, jobs. If you can cast back to before the video ipod when Microsoft announced the PMC, there was an article where jobs just insulted it claiming that nobody would want to watch video on the go, the screen would be too small, yadda yadda, more bashing and to finish it off, claimed they wouldn't be making any because there is no market for it.

Look where he ended up after that, he introduced the video ipod and thought he was some visionary and all the 'maclots' cheered all over it. It wasn't new, he completely talked it down the whole concept earlier, and still has the nerve to continue with his "Microsoft, start your photocopiers" nonsense, like he works for some god-like company.
iTunes is a piece of crap compared to WMP. The UI in WMP is the best UI of any product I think I have ever used.
Ideas Man wrote:
If you can cast back to before the video ipod when Microsoft announced the PMC, there was an article where jobs just insulted it claiming that nobody would want to watch video on the go, the screen would be too small, yadda yadda, more bashing and to finish it off, claimed they wouldn't be making any because there is no market for it.


The Wise Change their Mind, The Otherwise Persevere
eddwo
eddwo
Wheres my head at?

iTunes can get really slow and lock up almost continuously if you store your files on a network share instead of a local hard drive, but add them to the local library. Especially if your files are stored on a slow NAS device and accessed of a weak wireless connection.

WMP doesn't fare much better in this regard.

It would be nice to have an zeroconf iTunes server built into the Nas like the Asus WL-700gE, (which is probably rendered non-functional now due to the protocol changes in iTunes 7)

But music can only be streamed from a remote server, it cannot be copied to a locally attached ipod, and there is no way to rip a cd in a local drive and store the files directly on a server other than changing your library folder itself which causes other problems.

What you need to support for laptop users is the ability to divide the library into a small subset kept on the laptop drive (say 5GB), and the full library stored on a server (20GB). When in range of the server you get the full set, all accessible any synchable, but when out of range it falls back to the local subset and doesn't attempt to play or access metadata for files it can no longer reach.

(Thats the sort of situation I really hoped a network aware version of WinFS would be able to solve)

Having said all that I'm really enjoying the new Coverflow view, it beats WMP11 and really feels like you have all your CDs lined up on a infinitely long shelf inside your computer. It makes your music collection feel more like a tangible asset than just a bunch of bits.

blindlizard
blindlizard
monsterlizard.com
No it's Wal-Mart (hyphenated) and it is from Walton not Walter.  If you ware going to be picky, you might as well be right Tongue Out
W3bbo wrote:

BTW, it's Wal*Mart (or WalMart, not WallMart, it's from Walter, not Wallter )
brian.shapiro
brian.shapiro
things go on as always
Nitz Walsh wrote:

brian.shapiro wrote: 
 


This is what they call "spin".

Please post some content next time.  Thanks!


well ok but that was really what it was. everyone will understand if you say there are features of itunes which you think still make the product better. it was sort of out of place to turn a comment on how itunes is borrowing from wmp design into a stump speech for itunes though.

the point of the thread is that thre are endless places on the internet that cite how microsoft only copies apple and never contributes anything. there are examples to the contrary but this particular example, at this point in time, after apple has suggested vista was copying. saying that well, wmp 11 is a beta, and the new itunes release isnt, is really meaningless.

im sure people here agree there are certain things about itunes which are better, though may or may nto agree with you which is ultimately better

LaBomba
LaBomba
Summer
I think it's his constant Windows Desktop Search indexing that is slowing down iTunes 7...i dont' run WDS, and iTunes 7 runs like a charm, come to think of it my entire PC runs better without WDS installed.

iTunes 7, greatly improved in my opinion...and also Omar Shahine's  a softie, hated iTunes before but seems to be impressed with this latest version:

http://www.shahine.com/omar/iTunes7.aspx
Angus
Angus
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Wow, that iTunes screenshot looks so much like Windows Media Player, it makes the time when Apple said Microsoft made ugly software seem rather ironic. Tongue Out

Angus Higgins
Seems like some here think that WMP is the best UI on the planet and others think that iTunes 7 is merely copying WMP and is butt-ugly......I don't think both of these opinions can be correct, except in the opinion of the poster. I use iTunes on Mac and PC....works great on both. Of course, I'm anal about keeping my XP install lean and mean; so everything works as intended for me....YMMV.
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