"Troll" has lost its meaning?

borosen

After the occaction of Jamie being called a troll (even though maybe not directly), I take this opportunity raise my voice regarding something I have been thinking about for some time...

Do you think that word like Troll and FUD have lost their meaning, or at least lost lot of their values through inflation?

It seems to me, as they are tossed in as soon as somebody have a different meaning than your self.

Maybe it is time to find a new forum nomenclature?

ScanIAm
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borosen wrote:
After the occaction of Jamie being called a troll (even though maybe not directly), I take this opportunity raise my voice regarding something I have been thinking about for some time...

Do you think that word like Troll and FUD have lost their meaning, or at least lost lot of their values through inflation?

It seems to me, as they are tossed in as soon as somebody have a different meaning than your self.

Maybe it is time to find a new forum nomenclature?

Rory didn't call Jamie a troll, he said that Jamie's thread was a troll.

The verb, "to troll" is not the same as the noun "a troll".

Unfortunately, they are spelled the same Smiley

I kind of agree, though. I think we should save the troll comments for the really talented trolls.

We can just continue to assume the rest are alts for Beer28.

Edit: and it still doesn't make much sense since Rory called it a troll.
Anyway, nobody called Jamie a troll.

fdisk

ScanIAm wrote:
I kind of agree, though. I think we should save the troll comments for the really talented trolls.

We can just continue to assume the rest are alts for Beer28.

Whoa...how did you come to that conclusion? I've seen some pretty "talented" trolls here but I doubt they are all by the same person.

Besides, I don't even think Jamie's post was a "troll"...I think it just hit a raw nerve with Rory, and the two should sit down and talk it out over a few brews.

Rory
Free Tibet While Supplies Last

fdisk wrote:

ScanIAm wrote:I kind of agree, though. I think we should save the troll comments for the really talented trolls.

We can just continue to assume the rest are alts for Beer28.
Whoa...how did you come to that conclusion? I've seen some pretty "talented" trolls here but I doubt they are all by the same person.

Besides, I don't even think Jamie's post was a "troll"...I think it just hit a raw nerve with Rory, and the two should sit down and talk it out over a few brews.

I think you're probably right.

I felt that Jamie's post attacked more than it helped (don't know if that makes sense, but that's the thought that came out of my head).

And it *did* hit a nerve. One of the things I dealt with when on the road and going up in front of customers was *constantly* being told things like, "Yeah, well, I switched to FIREFOX" - this, always followed by an intense glare as though I was being challenged.

Now I have little patience for the Firefox-is-soooooo-much-better camp. I have no problems whatsoever with the opinion - everybody's entitled, of course - but I happen to *like* IE7, and when someone states that IE7 is, as a matter of *fact*, not any good, then, yeah, it rubs me the wrong way.

I called Jamie's post a troll because it seemed to me that he was trolling.

Regarding the question of what is/isn't a troll, everybody needs to remember that troll does *not* refer to those mythological creatures who live under bridges and like to club people. Rather, it's the verb which refers to fishing by cruising around with your baited line dragging behind the boat.

It did eventually come about that the people who regularly did this were referred to as "trolls," but the act of trolling itself is something distinct from the person - that's why it's possible to say that Jamie is *not* a troll, but that Jamie *was* trolling.

This is rather nitpicky, but there you go.

Cornelius Ellsonpeter

fdisk wrote:
Whoa...how did you come to that conclusion? I've seen some pretty "talented" trolls here but I doubt they are all by the same person.

I thought you were leaving us...? Haven't you caused enough disruption around here? Man, you already helped changed the outcome of the Made in Express Contest with your incessant ranting (I'm entering next year if they are giving out that much loot to that many people!) but made a fool of yourself in the process.

Enough already. I do agree Jamie and Rory just had a little misunderstanding. No biggie.

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Hmm...

A Canadian vs. A man of slightly-french descent...

Who would win? Smiley

Bah, forget it - we love you both Wink

jsampsonPC
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thumbtacks wrote:
...there are the developer trolls...the ones who have a very deep understanding of various architectures, prefer one platform over the other, and aren't afraid to engage in well-meaning conversations about various tech topics...

You make "Developer Trolls" sound like a good thing Smiley

Now I want to be one.

PaoloM
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Have you ever heard of that weird "paragraph" concept?

Massif
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PaoloM wrote:

Have you ever heard of that weird "paragraph" concept?

Don't be rude, there is an occasional bug which seems to obliterate all newlines and formatting.

jsampsonPC
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PaoloM wrote:

Have you ever heard of that weird "paragraph" concept?

Seriously, it's bad enough that people talk about crap...but do they have to do so in one long block of nonsense!?

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

When you speak out against Microsoft on Channel 9 you either get attacked, labeled a troll or banned. Look at what happened to ChrisA, beer28 and others. All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9

jsampsonPC
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Massif wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
Have you ever heard of that weird "paragraph" concept?

Don't be rude, there is an occasional bug which seems to obliterate all newlines and formatting.

I only know of that "bug" existing in Opera....

jsampsonPC
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corona_coder wrote:
When you speak out against Microsoft on Channel 9 you either get attacked, labeled a troll or banned. Look at what happened to ChrisA, beer28 and others. All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9

Not true. We have tons of very active linux-proponents here. Vincent comes to mind. He's a big linux guy, if I'm not mistaken. One among many. But to entertain your idea, I'll (again) put myself on the line.

I don't like windows...It's ugly, linux is so pretty. It's better. Windows is bad, and horrible, and dumb too. Linux is perfect, I can help make it. Linux is really cool. Why do you guys use windows? You didn't help make it. Why don't you use linux, you can help make it. We have gimp.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

corona_coder wrote:
All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9

Incorrect. They've been banned (all of those?) for behaving like retards.

We have plenty of Linux users posting every day and they are very welcome here. They are, however, intelligent people.

Rossj

jsampsonPC wrote:

Not true. We have tons of very active linux-proponents here. Vincent comes to mind. He's a big linux guy, if I'm not mistaken. One among many. But to entertain your idea, I'll (again) put myself on the line.

I still don't understand what Trolls aim to achieve for Linux by coming on here and being insulting, other than putting people off Linux - or is it *solely* an attention thing?

Not like I slam everything and start proclaiming OSX as the best thing since perforated bread. Sure I post OSX topics, and I occassionally bring it into conversation (at which point I normally get ignored anyway Wink

), I'd be doing more damage than harm by acting like these guys.

jsampsonPC
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Rossj wrote:

jsampsonPC wrote:
Not true. We have tons of very active linux-proponents here. Vincent comes to mind. He's a big linux guy, if I'm not mistaken. One among many. But to entertain your idea, I'll (again) put myself on the line.

I still don't understand what Trolls aim to achieve for Linux by coming on here and being insulting, other than putting people off Linux - or is it *solely* an attention thing?

Not like I slam everything and start proclaiming OSX as the best thing since perforated bread. Sure I post OSX topics, and I occassionally bring it into conversation (at which point I normally get ignored anyway ), I'd be doing more damage than harm by acting like these guys.

If you love OSX, mention it Smiley

The community isn't scared to talk about other platforms. Heck, I see linux conversations going on here, intelligent ones at that. And nobody gets hurt - until one of linux-asses comes over to throw a fit. Those are the guys I cannot stand. Even though I still like linux. I love windows though, much more Smiley

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

jsampsonPC wrote:

corona_coder wrote: When you speak out against Microsoft on Channel 9 you either get attacked, labeled a troll or banned. Look at what happened to ChrisA, beer28 and others. All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9

Not true. We have tons of very active linux-proponents here. Vincent comes to mind. He's a big linux guy, if I'm not mistaken. One among many. But to entertain your idea, I'll (again) put myself on the line.

I don't like windows...It's ugly, linux is so pretty. It's better. Windows is bad, and horrible, and dumb too. Linux is perfect, I can help make it. Linux is really cool. Why do you guys use windows? You didn't help make it. Why don't you use linux, you can help make it. We have gimp.

Has vincent ever said anything negative regarding Windows or any Microsoft product? Nope.

jsampsonPC
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corona_coder wrote:

jsampsonPC wrote:

corona_coder wrote: When you speak out against Microsoft on Channel 9 you either get attacked, labeled a troll or banned. Look at what happened to ChrisA, beer28 and others. All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9

Not true. We have tons of very active linux-proponents here. Vincent comes to mind. He's a big linux guy, if I'm not mistaken. One among many. But to entertain your idea, I'll (again) put myself on the line.

I don't like windows...It's ugly, linux is so pretty. It's better. Windows is bad, and horrible, and dumb too. Linux is perfect, I can help make it. Linux is really cool. Why do you guys use windows? You didn't help make it. Why don't you use linux, you can help make it. We have gimp.

Has vincent ever said anything negative regarding Windows or any Microsoft product? Nope.

Wow, you just scoured his posts that quickly? I am willing to bed you $20 that he has Smiley

Either he has, or some other prominant Linux-proponent on this site has.

Harlequin
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Who's Vincent?

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

jsampsonPC wrote:

Massif wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
Have you ever heard of that weird "paragraph" concept?

Don't be rude, there is an occasional bug which seems to obliterate all newlines and formatting.

I only know of that "bug" existing in Opera....

There is a dirty word penalty that will squish all of your text (and any quoted text) if you happen to use a dirty word....

Preview is your friend Smiley

jsampsonPC
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Harlequin wrote:

Who's Vincent?

Xaero_Vincent - Resident Linux Proponent

Dr Herbie
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Rossj wrote:

... the best thing since perforated bread ...

Ah, Genius.

You thought you could hide your dirty radio 4 habit from the world? Hah! One slip and you're outed.

Herbie

DarthVista
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corona_coder wrote:
When you speak out against Microsoft on Channel 9 you either get attacked, labeled a troll or banned. Look at what happened to ChrisA, beer28 and others. All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9

Nonsense. Now you are trying to change the truth to fit your cause.

How much longer must we put up with tactics of these open source advocates? It's clear that trying to build apps out of open source libraries makes you crazy. Didn't I just read somewhere that KDE just had a fix for 1,200 bugs?

staceyw
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Rory wrote:

I think you're probably right.

I felt that Jamie's post attacked more than it helped (don't know if that makes sense, but that's the thought that came out of my head).

And it *did* hit a nerve. One of the things I dealt with when on the road and going up in front of customers was *constantly* being told things like, "Yeah, well, I switched to FIREFOX" - this, always followed by an intense glare as though I was being challenged.

Now I have little patience for the Firefox-is-soooooo-much-better camp. I have no problems whatsoever with the opinion - everybody's entitled, of course - but I happen to *like* IE7, and when someone states that IE7 is, as a matter of *fact*, not any good, then, yeah, it rubs me the wrong way.

I called Jamie's post a troll because it seemed to me that he was trolling.

Regarding the question of what is/isn't a troll, everybody needs to remember that troll does *not* refer to those mythological creatures who live under bridges and like to club people. Rather, it's the verb which refers to fishing by cruising around with your baited line dragging behind the boat.

It did eventually come about that the people who regularly did this were referred to as "trolls," but the act of trolling itself is something distinct from the person - that's why it's possible to say that Jamie is *not* a troll, but that Jamie *was* trolling.

This is rather nitpicky, but there you go.

Well said. I agree with all that and feel the same way (and I guess even more so if I worked at MS). You love what yah know I guess. I chalk it up to age (or lack of) for the most part. I would guess you don't see many trolls over ~30 as you grow up and kinda mellow and the small stuff like this does not matter anymore. Use what you like and leave others to theirs. What can be more simple then that? Why raise your blood pressure vexing about what others are using or not using? Maybe a small troll could be called a "trollet" Smiley

Cheers.

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DarthVista wrote:

corona_coder wrote:When you speak out against Microsoft on Channel 9 you either get attacked, labeled a troll or banned. Look at what happened to ChrisA, beer28 and others. All Linux advocates banned for talking Linux on Channel 9
Nonsense. Now you are trying to change the truth to fit your cause.

How much longer must we put up with tactics of these open source advocates? It's clear that trying to build apps out of open source libraries makes you crazy. Didn't I just read somewhere that KDE just had a fix for 1,200 bugs?

Dude, your intolerance for them is just as annoying as their gripe against MS. Open-source is a great thing, deal with it! I'm so sick of hearing this nonsense from both sides.

OSS and Corporate Software both have their pros and cons, and they both have a place in the development community. If it weren't for OSS I would not be a developer today! If it weren't for Corporate Software, I would be a severely-limited developer!

&quot;Troll&quot; has lost its meaning?