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UnoriginalGuy

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:
Home and Student does come with OneNote, though. It's not included in the Student edition of 2003.

That's great except OneNote is trash... Don't know a single student that uses it, there are mind map software totally free from the net that is better, but I do know tons of students that use Outlook.

CannotResolveSymbol
Microsoft: Who do you want to execute today?

Home and Student does come with OneNote, though. It's not included in the Student edition of 2003.

edit: it's the same price as the Student edition of 2003 was in the States when 2003 came out...

alwaysmc2
It's not stupid; It's advanced!

I'm thinking of switching from Outlook to Windows Live Mail Desktop, Windows Calendar, and Windows Contacts.

Or maybe I'll just go back to Office 2003 when my beta 2 licence runs out...

Andrew Davey
www.aboutcode.net

I've used OneNote everyday on my tablet for almost three years now at University. It makes keeping all my notes in order simple. I'd probably go so far to say OneNote is the best V1.0 product Microsoft have ever released. I'm looking forward to the next version. Smiley

I also can't live without Outlook however...!

j0217995

I would argue that OneNote is the best part of the deal. I love OneNote and is the one product I can't find any type of OpenSource replacement for.

Larsenal
ready to give an answer

UnoriginalGuy wrote:
edit: LOL Microsoft Office 2007 Professional doesn't even come with Outlook now, you need the "Professional Plus" edition... This is really beyond on a joke...

Not universally true.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

UnoriginalGuy wrote:

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:Home and Student does come with OneNote, though. It's not included in the Student edition of 2003.

That's great except OneNote is trash... Don't know a single student that uses it, there are mind map software totally free from the net that is better, but I do know tons of students that use Outlook.

I can testify here too.

OneNote is just too disorganised me to use properly, I prefer Word and its structured (well, more or less) document format.

The handwriting behaviour on TPCs doesn't make OneNote worth it, besides recognition being terrible, it requires me to write using large cursive glyphs, not my style, takes too much effort, and I personally dislike converting my Tecra into slate mode because the hinge is so fragile.

Jack Poison
At what price, Freedom?

UnoriginalGuy wrote:

CannotResolveSymbol wrote: Home and Student does come with OneNote, though. It's not included in the Student edition of 2003.

That's great except OneNote is trash... Don't know a single student that uses it, there are mind map software totally free from the net that is better, but I do know tons of students that use Outlook.

I Disagree here.. I give full credit to OneNote for helping me get an A in my Formal Methods class, on a Tablet PC.

Most students I know don't use Exchange, so why use Outlook? Can't Outlook Express (Or whatever its called) do everything they want with a POP server? Actually, I don't know ANY full-time students (non-corporate) that use Outlook.

Edit: W3bbo - I always kept things in my handwriting (Inking on imported Powerpoint slides), so I can't attest to your issue one way or the other.

AndyC

Now that Windows includes a calender app, Outlook is a lot less compelling if you aren't using Exchange. OneNote, on the other hand, is great for making ad hoc notes or collating bits of info. No matter how you bundle it someone will always want a slightly different combo and a lower price!

cescotto

AndyC wrote:
Now that Windows includes a calender app, Outlook is a lot less compelling if you aren't using Exchange. OneNote, on the other hand, is great for making ad hoc notes or collating bits of info. No matter how you bundle it someone will always want a slightly different combo and a lower price!

Outlook 2007 is far better than outlook express, it has a better interface, it supports RSSs, has better searching features, allows you to mount external PST files (for example you can keep your outlook PST in a network drive place to share your email folders between multiple computers) and it's surely more integrated than separate solutions.

And like if that wasn't enough it's the only application supported by most mobile phones software.

I don't understand why is MS wanting to differentiate office and windows all this much: In order to have media center and remote desktop I'll be forced to buy the ultimate edition, even if the media center edition of XP had both media center and remote desktop and wasn't much expensive.

In order to have Outlook and Access instead I'll be forced to buy the Professional edition instead of the Students edition that I'm entitled to, because the student edition of Office 2003 removed access and Office 2007 removed outlook.

The editions with less features should be supposed to be cheaper, but this is not the case.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

There's no way to use an external store for email in Windows Mail? And it can't sync?

That's messed up. I can understand the latter, but the former? I'll have to try that.

cescotto

Bas wrote:
There's no way to use an external store for email in Windows Mail? And it can't sync?

That's messed up. I can understand the latter, but the former? I'll have to try that.

You can sync only contacts with outlook express/windows live mail but only outlook is supported for calendar/activities/etc.

ZippyV
Fired Up

Most students don't have a tablet pc so Onenote is worthless to them. Outlook however is frequently used, even if their school doesn't use Exchange you can still use the calendar, tasks, notes, ...
Another stupid thing that Microsoft did was removing Access from the bundle? Students that follow any kind of computer science studies come into contact with Access.

AndyC

cescotto wrote:

You can sync only contacts with outlook express/windows live mail but only outlook is supported for calendar/activities/etc.

Well OE doesn't have a calendar/activities etc, so its not surprising. I expect you'll see support for syncing with Windows Calendar once Vista is readily available.

Anyway don't most PDA's ship with a free copy of Outlook?

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

AndyC wrote:
Anyway don't most PDA's ship with a free copy of Outlook?

My WM5.0 PDA, a Dell Axim X51v bought in June 2006 came with Outlook 2002/XP, despite Outlook 2003 being out for 3 years by that point.

bbrewder

j0217995 wrote:
I would argue that OneNote is the best part of the deal. I love OneNote and is the one product I can't find any type of OpenSource replacement for.

Have you tried EverNote? They have a pretty good free version.

eddwo
Wheres my head at?

I think its quite a good deal.

Its £105 from Amazon, is now Home and Student rather than Student and Teacher, so its open to many more users then before. and you can install and activate it on 3 machines.

I really like OneNote 2007, and I'm quite prepared to use WLMD for EMail, Newsgroups, and RSS, and Windows Calender in Vista where appropriate.

I'll probably still install my copy of Access from Student and Teacher 2003 though.

cescotto

AndyC wrote:

cescotto wrote:
You can sync only contacts with outlook express/windows live mail but only outlook is supported for calendar/activities/etc.

Well OE doesn't have a calendar/activities etc, so its not surprising. I expect you'll see support for syncing with Windows Calendar once Vista is readily available.

No wait the thing I was pointing to is that if you want to sync calendar/activities etc you are forced to use outlook, because most sync applications sync calendar and activities only with outlook. They won't sync to windows vista calendar or other free utilities.

AndyC wrote:

Anyway don't most PDA's ship with a free copy of Outlook?

Yes, but people who don't have a windows mobile PDA (and use a nokia smartphone for example) will still miss outlook.

Programous

Office Pro dose have Outlook 2007 in it:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/FX101674091033.aspx

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What's included in Office Professional 2007

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cescotto

Programous wrote:
Office Pro dose have Outlook 2007 in it:
http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/suites/FX101674091033.aspx

Yes the professional does, however it has been removed from the Student edition.

CannotResolveSymbol
Microsoft: Who do you want to execute today?

sirhomer wrote:
Just to let you know there is a free, open source office suite named OpenOffice. It has alot of features that Microsoft Office doesn't have, like PDF and SWF support out of the box. It also supports the industry standard OpenDocument format, which Microsoft Office 2007 does not. I find it more then suitable for my needs, and I saved nice chuck of change using OpenOffice instead of Microsoft's product.

Which is more standard? The format that 100% of modern programs can read and write out of the box, or the format that one program can read out of the box and has the name "standard" slapped on it by a standards organization? I find it difficult to consider a format that is supported by one suite and run by 0.2% of users an "industry standard".

CannotResolveSymbol
Microsoft: Who do you want to execute today?

sirhomer wrote:

OpenDocument is an industry standard supported by virtually all office software vendors other then Microsoft.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_office_suites

Let's see, who are the major office software vendors today? Corel-- no support of OpenDocument. Lotus? No support of OpenDocument. Apple (iWork)? No support of OpenDocument. Ability Plus? No support of OpenDocument. In fact, the only desktop suites supporting it are OpenOffice, Gnome Office, KDE Office, and Microsoft Office (through a plugin). StarOffice=NeoOffice=OpenOffice, so they have to be counted together. Doesn't sound like virtually all office software vendors are backing OpenDocument, just the OSS suites are.

Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

UnoriginalGuy wrote:
New slogan?

The student and teacher edition of Microsoft Office 2007 no longer comes with Outlook, but costs almost £40 more than the 2003 version of the same which does in fact include Outlook and Powerpoint.

In fact the 2007 Student and Teacher version is so bare bones that I can't see it being useful for much...

Well, it's not the Student and Teacher edition any more. I'm really pleased with this change because I'm not a student and I don't use Outlook. I use Word mainly, occasionally Excel, and I'm keen to try OneNote. The cost of this is now a couple of hundred quid less than before.
So I'm happy.

You can't please all of the people all of the time. Every time there's a change to the pricing structure there are winners and losers. That's life, I'm afraid.

Herbie.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

cescotto wrote:
You can sync only contacts with outlook express/windows live mail but only outlook is supported for calendar/activities/etc.

Yeah, well that isn't too surprising, seeing how there is no calendar in Windows Mail. Can you sync your calendar with Windows Calendar? And what about syncing your email with Windows Mail?

Dr Herbie wrote:

Well, it's not the Student and Teacher edition any more. I'm really pleased with this change because I'm not a student and I don't use Outlook. I use Word mainly, occasionally Excel, and I'm keen to try OneNote. The cost of this is now a couple of hundred quid less than before.
So I'm happy.

I agree, if WLMD supports RSS and syncing of contacts and email, and the Calendar supports syncing of appointments, I don't see a real need to use Outlook anymore. And yeah, computer science students may need Access, but that's only a small percentage of all students.

Microsoft Office 2007 - &quot;It will cost you more, but you get less&quot;

Microsoft Office 2007 - "It will cost you more, but you get less"