Posted By: ElucidWeb | Jan 21st, 2007 @ 11:34 AM
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So I was checking our Microsoft Expression Web and it looks finished based on the website and it even lets you download a free trial version.  So I went to MSDN to download it and its not there, why are the expression products not available to MSDN?  Thats just not logical, I was looking forward to using Microsoft Expression Web, with Visual Studio 2005 together much like how I use Dreamweaver and Visual Studio 2005 now but Dreamweaver kinda sucks, I beta tested with Expression and its much much better.  Especially when it comes to handling .NET tags.

So has anyone noticed this? 
Custa1200
Custa1200
Havok13andaThird
I agree, how are these not Development tools? Last time I checked it was Microsoft Developers Network.

It is going to be a tough time arguing to push the build WPF based software development to the powers that be in my company if it means telling them that the $7K or whatever they have spent per developer in our company on Microsoft development tools only to tell they have not spent enough and now they need to spend more to get the development tools they thought they have already payed for.... doesn't make a lot of sense to me, so it certainly won't to those that make the decisions.
Kevin Daly
Kevin Daly
Of course it *looks* like my nick is just my name, but actually, well, it's just my name.
It's still a valid issue to be raising.

I think the distinction between these and development tools is spurious and artificial.

Additionally, I think that rather than repeating or implicitly promoting  a lot of clichéd ideas about the differences between developers and designers (and the inherent colour-blindness, style-bindness and lack of artistic sensitivity of the former), we should maybe, just maybe explore the possibility that in some people's case the difference is not actually at DNA level, but is simply a consequence of what they have or haven't learned.

In that spirit it would be good to provide a set of developer-oriented design resources (I mean of an educational/guidance nature) to help developers get their heads around design tools and principles and maybe decide whether that's an area they'd like to seek training in.

This is not just because I loathe developer stereotyping (by Microsoft, the media, and for that matter developers themselves), but also because no matter how good the design tools are, I strongly suspect the Microsoft world is going to have a hard time deprogramming enough Mac-cultist designers (yes I know, I'm stereotyping, but tell me there's no truth in it) to provide the UI skills we need. I still shudder when I remember interviewing people for a web designer position, and watching them all recoil at the notion of even touching something that would eventually be used on a Windows machine.

So re-tooling other people to at least start them on the road to being useful in that area seems like a good idea.

Sorry for straying off-topic...so to return to the point: The Expression toos should be included in MSDN subscriptions. So come on Microsoft - no spin, no lame excuses, no marketing-cum-manager-speak. Just fix it.
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