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LaBomba
Summer

New Mac ad- Security (a dig at UAC in Vista):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUPxkzV1RTc

"You are coming to a sad realization...Cancel or Allow" "Allow" LOL! Big Smile

I'll agree most of the Mac ads are lame, but even some of you 'softies have to find this funny.. Tongue Out

Edit: I'll throw this in for completeness sakes...

rcardona
what!ever...

UAC was tried on the Mac waaay back in 1990 with Chris Johnson's Gatekeeper. (No offense to Chris; GK was a great program). While the idea is great for power users, in practice it just doesn't work. Post this message? Allow

rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure

This one is actually one of my favorites.

Link

stevo_
Human after all

I like that, I think the idea of UAC is obviously for good, but its implementation isn't good. That isn't even saying that Microsoft did a bad job, I just don't think UAC plugs in well with the entire security sub system in Windows.

k00k

It is in deed funny. Altho there is not 1 mac user in the world that can come to the sad realization that if Mac OSX was the #1 OS used in the World it would be filled with a firey fate of viruses, spam, ect .. and this my friends is the only reason us PC users have to implement stupid crap like this to try to fend off all the cess of crap out there. And if you seriously think Vista is "Hard" and you have not within the past 10 years grasped the concept of how to use a windows machine then you can go ahead and purchase that Mac of your dreams lol.

imekon
Bah humbug!

k00k wrote:
Altho there is not 1 mac user in the world that can come to the sad realization that if Mac OSX was the #1 OS used in the World it would be filled with a firey fate of viruses, spam

I've heard on a Linux advocate site this is a myth. I can see their point... on a well designed system, these kind of things ought to be much harder.

(Runs, ducks and finds asbestos suit).

k00k

Well its not that it is not a well designed system it is the mear fact that no matter how well it is designed there are 50 times the amount of people racing to blow holes thru it to see what makes it bleed.

sodapop

Not to mention that most of the malware out there doesn't use any security holes at all except for the giant security hole sitting in front of the computer.

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

I seem to remember reading somewhere that the windows NT permission model at least is better designed than the Unix one. It allowed extremely granular tuning of permissions so that programs can be designed to target specifically just the permissions they need.

Of course, that was part of the problem, because it was much much easier just to assume everyone was an admin, meaning developers just asked for admin permissions, and users had to run as admin. It's not just the design of the system which can be faulted, but the laziness of the developers.

Of course, allowing lazy developers to write apps is one of the reasons that windows is so popular, ah well it would appear there's no easy answer - who knew?

stevo_
Human after all

The thing with UAC to me is, its really blatent as a 'weld' to fix an issue that is incredibly hard to otherwise fix, without destroying the application platform that windows has.

To me, Windows need to start 'securing' the way programs interact, making the system more defined. Aiming to get to the level where the OS really can tell when a user initiated something.. or another program has. This is obviously a simple way to explain a tough problem.. but surely this is the way Windows needs to go..

My view on UAC isn't a 'get used to this its here to stay', more of a 'we need to do this for awhile until something is fixed'.

If it is the latter, I'll be pretty disappointed.