WDS: Making it forget stuff that's been deleted? | The Coffeehouse

Tom Servo
W-hat?

After getting WDS to work again, finding out that a power setting make it go stupid, I was trying stuff. How comes that if I delete mails in Outlook, that I still can search for them in the start menu? When does the indexer deem it deleted for real? Outlook's instant search doesn't show them, probably because it uses the search results as index access to the store items, which are conveniently missing already.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

It could be because the emails are in the Delete Items folder, that's still searched by WDS. If you empty that folder, they should disappear.

BlackTiger
If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.

PaoloM wrote:
It could be because the emails are in the Delete Items folder, that's still searched by WDS. If you empty that folder, they should disappear.

Hmmm, are you sure? Are you ready to bet 1 giga-money on this?

I'm asking because just made an experiment. I've got email with unique word. Really unique, beleive me. Started to search. Finally I've got 2 (two! no idea why) entries in results. Ok, I've deleted that email permanently (shift+del). Started search again and got 1 "ghost" entry in results... When I'm clicking on this entry, nothing happens. I've tried to search that email later several times. Each time I'm getting 1 entry pointing to nonexistant email. So, are you sure?

Actually I have 2 entries per 1 email every time, when I'm using internal search (Vista ofcoz). I've tried to use "Delete" then "Empty Deleted" with same result. I still can find removed emails...

KevinB

BlackTiger wrote:

PaoloM wrote: It could be because the emails are in the Delete Items folder, that's still searched by WDS. If you empty that folder, they should disappear.

Hmmm, are you sure? Are you ready to bet 1 giga-money on this?

I'm asking because just made an experiment. I've got email with unique word. Really unique, beleive me. Started to search. Finally I've got 2 (two! no idea why) entries in results. Ok, I've deleted that email permanently (shift+del). Started search again and got 1 "ghost" entry in results... When I'm clicking on this entry, nothing happens. I've tried to search that email later several times. Each time I'm getting 1 entry pointing to nonexistant email. So, are you sure?

Actually I have 2 entries per 1 email every time, when I'm using internal search (Vista ofcoz). I've tried to use "Delete" then "Empty Deleted" with same result. I still can find removed emails...

Do you have two profiles in Outlook by any chance?

Thanks,
Kevin

BlackTiger
If you stumbled and fell down, it doesn't mean yet, that you're going in the wrong direction.

KevinB wrote:
Do you have two profiles in Outlook by any chance?

Thanks,
Kevin

Nope. Probably two entries per one email caused by subject/body. I have no idea why it happens. Just happens.

Tom Servo
W-hat?

PaoloM wrote:
It could be because the emails are in the Delete Items folder, that's still searched by WDS. If you empty that folder, they should disappear.

I always SHIFT-DEL, circumventing the recycle bin.

Tom Servo
W-hat?

Shoving the stuff through the recycle bin and then emptying it, which I tried for fun, doesn't do anything either. Actually it even gives me an additional result, because it indexed the item being there, too.

Actually, opening an item makes Vista return two results, one opened one closed. Moving it to the recycle bin will make it return another result of the item, in the state it was when being deleted. For instance this casino spam mail shows up thrice. Twice as opened item and another time as closed.

It seems like WDS doesn't even bother properly doing its job. Every state change in Outlook gets indexed as new object. Deleting something won't make things go away. As if the only thing it can do is SELECT and INSERT.

So is this the fault of WDS or of the Outlook filter?

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

Beagle doesnt index the trash by default. So once its gone its gone.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

corona_coder wrote:
Beagle doesnt index the trash by default. So once its gone its gone.

This would've been an insightful comment, had he been using Beagle.

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

He can always switch and use superior tools and its free.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Says who? Maybe he has to use WDS because his place of work requires it. Maybe he has other software he needs to use that isn't available on Linux. Maybe he's experimenting and comparing various search tools. How exactly do you know that he can switch?

Bottom line: if someone has a question about software, the correct answer is not automatically redirecting that person to other software. Especially if you don't know the background.

Tom Servo
W-hat?

Or maybe I don't give a (I need to watch my language) about Linux generally.

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

Bas, then he will always be using legacy software. Windows is a legacy system.

ddewbofh
And so the world ends. Not with a bang, but with a whimper.

corona_coder wrote:
Bas, then he will always be using legacy software. Windows is a legacy system.

He should ditch his "legacy" applications in exchange for what? The amount of software on the w32 platform without any FOSS equivalents is pretty staggering. Not to mention the eco-system around w32 with companies supporting it, software supporting it and the amount of training involved in switching to a completely different platform.

Should he train for kde, gnome, enlightenment, xfce or any of the other many desktops out there? Learn to use KOffice, StarOffice, OO.org or any of the other alternatives?

Making a switch like that is nowhere near as easy as you'd like it to be, atleast not for IT-professionals who do more than surf the web and write the occasional document.

PS Don't bother mentioning WINE or it's derivates, until it supports 100% of all windows applications it can't be an option in a business enviroment.

Tom Servo
W-hat?

Feeding trolls and all that...

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

corona_coder wrote:
Bas, then he will always be using legacy software. Windows is a legacy system.

Yes? But does he care? If it works for him, does it really matter if it was written half a year ago, a year ago, or two decades ago?

The point still is: if he has a question about application A, then that question is not answered by recommending application B.

Had the question been 'which application should I use?', then sure, recommending application B would've been a great answer. But that wasn't the question.

Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

corona_coder wrote:
Bas, then he will always be using legacy software. Windows is a legacy system.

Link

Herbie

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

Herbie, that Link has to do with what? Quit your trolling and spamming. Remember, for best results use Linux.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

corona_coder wrote:
Herbie, that Link has to do with what?

It has to do with your "claim" to leave. And your backpedaling.

It also infers (correctly) something about your lack of credibility.

corona_coder wrote:
Quit your trolling and spamming.

You keep using that word, but I don't think it means what you think it means...

corona_coder wrote:
Remember, for best results use Linux.

As a frisbee? Yes, you're right. Smiley

BHpaddock

Tom Servo wrote:
After getting WDS to work again, finding out that a power setting make it go stupid, I was trying stuff. How comes that if I delete mails in Outlook, that I still can search for them in the start menu? When does the indexer deem it deleted for real? Outlook's instant search doesn't show them, probably because it uses the search results as index access to the store items, which are conveniently missing already.

If you delete the items and immediately search for them, it's possible the index hasn't been updated yet. Normally it should update in a couple of seconds (or less, depending on your machine) on a Vista machine. However, if there are lots of new items that the indexer has queued to process, it could take slightly longer.

Outlook is probably smart enough to trim results with entryIDs that no longer exist. Unfortunately, the Start Menu (being more generic and not aware of specific apps like Outlook) can't do that.

If you wait a few seconds does the item go away? Deletes are pretty quick operations and shouldn't take long at all to be reflected in the index.

cescotto

corona_coder wrote:
Remember, for best results use Linux.

So would you dare to affirm that the desktop search solutions for linux are better than all the dozens of desktop search solutions available for windows (wds by microsoft, gds by google, yds by yahoo, copernic, etc)?

Is Beagle better because it's damn slow, it uses plenty of ram and has a limit on 100 results?

Is Tracker better because it's not tested, damn slow, has plenty of problems when indexing certain files, has problems with upcase/lowercase in search expressions, has no GUI for advanced searchs and just in the last year they changed multiple times the database/indexer (breaking compatibility with previous versions) and it still lacks decent APIs (it only has RPCs for DBus)?

Is Strigi better because it has uppercase/lowercase problems like Tracker, has no decent search standards, lacks documentation, it's not tested and has a very bad interface?

And we'd better avoid talking about Jindex (I'll just say that it's written in Java (ha!) and that it's pratically a beagle clone)...

Tom Servo
W-hat?

Well, I waited three days and two reboots now, I still can summon deleted mail in the search.