New Apple Ad

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/apple/getamac/apple-getamac-security_480x376.mov

Enjoy!

I think this has been up here before.
Anyway, this commercial is annoying for the most part, but I do like the PC's exhasperated "allow" at the very end.

Why is a video file on images.apple.com?

MrJay wrote:

Old but still very amusing.  My favorite part is that Apple didn't even have to lie.  UAC is just that damn annoying.

Yeah, but it only comes up when something that could potentially PWN your system happens.

reinux wrote:



MrJay wrote: Dreadful UAC Example #1865

You're a developer. UAC isn't designed for you. Turn it off. That's what I did.

Thus perpetuating the awful cycle of ignorant software developers software writing code that has to run with admin privs for no good reason. I can guarantee you that no legitimate Linux or OS X software developers develop and test their software with the root account unless it's something kernel related or has to run as root for other reasons.

TimP wrote:


Thus perpetuating the awful cycle of ignorant software developers software writing code that has to run with admin privs for no good reason.

How so? You develop with admin privileges, and test as a normal user.

Ray6 wrote:



TimP wrote:  Thus perpetuating the awful cycle of ignorant software developers software writing code that has to run with admin privs for no good reason.

How so? You develop with admin privileges, and test as a normal user.

Actually the best practice is to develop and test as a user, and only elevate your privlidge to Administrator as needed.

Sounds shockingly like what UAC does! But, there have been power toys for XP for a couple years that also do this.

I do not let my developers work on day-to-day development as Administrator. I got tired of deploying and then hearing them say "Well, it works on my machine."

And to be hoenst, I think the level of frustration and intrusion over UAC are a bit exaggerated. The fact of the matter is that no matter what Microsoft does here (with security) there is always going to be someone who is unhappy. Because of peoples perception of them, there are some times when Microsoft just can't seem to catch a break.

MrJay wrote:



Ray6 wrote: TimP wrote: Thus perpetuating the awful cycle of ignorant software developers software writing code that has to run with admin privs for no good reason. How so? You develop with admin privileges, and test as a normal user.

Turning off UAC in that situation would've been pointless.  Yes it would've avoided the needless warnings and restrictions that I mentioned, but I was only having to do that so I could test new builds of my application and make sure that it worked correctly with UAC active.

So your solution involves the following:

1) Turn off UAC
2) Reboot
3) Copy files from Network Location to \Program Files location
4) Turn on UAC
5) Reboot
6) Test application
7) If testing fails, go back to Step #1

Nope. My solution would be make sure I understand how the UAC works, turn off the UAC, develop the app. Test the app. Turn on the UAC, make sure the app still runs. Go back and fix if I have it wrong.

My solution wouldn't be to whinge in my beer about how the UAC is bad for ME, even though it is fine for the 99% of Windows users, who never develop applications.

jb43081 wrote:



Actually the best practice is to develop and test as a user, and only elevate your privlidge to Administrator as needed.

What?! You can do that?! Then what the hell is all the fuss about? Sorry, I was under the impression that VS tools hadn't been updated to allow for that? Is that not the case?

jb43081 wrote:


I do not let my developers work on day-to-day development as Administrator. I got tired of deploying and then hearing them say "Well, it works on my machine."

Neither do we. And this was before the UAC was such an alleged problem.

jb43081 wrote:


And to be hoenst, I think the level of frustration and intrusion over UAC are a bit exaggerated. The fact of the matter is that no matter what Microsoft does here (with security) there is always going to be someone who is unhappy.

Well, remember that the only people who are complaining are geeks, who spend a lot of time fiddling with their systems, and press hacks who are trying to attract hits from geeks. Haven't really heard from any of the normal folk out there.

jb43081 wrote:


Because of peoples perception of them, there are some times when Microsoft just can't seem to catch a break.

Price of being the top dog unfortunately.

Ray6 wrote:



jb43081 wrote:  Actually the best practice is to develop and test as a user, and only elevate your privlidge to Administrator as needed.

What?! You can do that?! Then what the hell is all the fuss about? Sorry, I was under the impression that VS tools hadn't been updated to allow for that? Is that not the case?

Actually, there is a "power toy" for XP that will let you do that. I haven't used it since I started using Vista, so the name escapes me, but I'll see if I can find it when I get home tonight. It basically allowed you to run your apps in a lower privlidge mode than your current one.

You couldn't debug in it, which makes sense when you consider just how intrusive things like debugging and profiling are (you are basically able to access system memory) so that made some permissions based issues a little more difficult to sniff out, but we would narrow it down, then throw a mess-o' logging around it.

Ray6 wrote:



jb43081 wrote:  And to be hoenst, I think the level of frustration and intrusion over UAC are a bit exaggerated. The fact of the matter is that no matter what Microsoft does here (with security) there is always going to be someone who is unhappy.

Well, remember that the only people who are complaining are geeks, who spend a lot of time fiddling with their systems, and press hacks who are trying to attract hits from geeks. Haven't really heard from any of the normal folk out there.

True, and geeks probably already understand that what they are doing is potentially something that someone could exploit and know that they have to be patient. The news peope are the ones who aggrevate me; they act like normal Joe User would be unable to use Vista because it would be asking them to allow actions every five seconds. To be honest, even when I'm developing, unless I'm doing something I know is probably a security risk anyway, I don't get bugged by UAC enough for it to be a problem.