Acer doesn't like Vista | The Coffeehouse

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Article wrote:

Acer: PC Industry 'Disappointed' with Vista

Acer president Gianfranco Lanci today became the first major PC manufacturer to openly attack Microsoft over the Windows Vista operating system.

Wohooo. Seems like there isn't a big acceptance... I hope this is just FUD, as usual and that this isn't going to affect anything... perhaps they just escalated a little bit - well acer isn't that good too Wink

anand.t

When did business customers start buying acer?? And the whole article has a one line quote from Lanci and I am sure it is some sort of translation problem.

Btw is this not the magazine which dumped its editor for making an anti-mac statement??

Xaero_Vincent
Sexy me

Acer recommends Windows Vista® Business for Business Computing

Acer recommends Windows Vista® Home Premium for Personal Computing

http://us.acer.com/acereuro/page3.do;jsessionid=E04976D27CD6B645C30E2A30E8B1B7A4?sp=page74&dau7.oid=449&UserCtxParam=0&GroupCtxParam=0&dctx1=25&CountryISOCtxParam=US&LanguageISOCtxParam=en&ctx3=-1&ctx4=United+States&crc=2693130352

Thats all folks. :O

phreaks

littleguru wrote:

Article wrote:
Acer: PC Industry 'Disappointed' with Vista

Acer president Gianfranco Lanci today became the first major PC manufacturer to openly attack Microsoft over the Windows Vista operating system.

Wohooo. Seems like there isn't a big acceptance... I hope this is just FUD, as usual and that this isn't going to affect anything... perhaps they just escalated a little bit - well acer isn't that good too

I'm very disappointed with Vista as well...
Love it's features, but it's flaws sadly outweigh them.

JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater

Vista is great. Sorry Phreaks, Vista kicks XP off my worthy hardware.

The problem with Acer is hardware.

And other vendors.

I just had to ship 4 laptops back to mfgr due to them being shipped with inadequate video hardware for Vista. Oh, they were "Vista ready" woohoos, to be sure. In fact, they were not.

Now I'm getting laptops that were designed for Vista from my mfgr, (good mfgr), not XP machines with Vista foisted upon them, like happened with Acer and the other vendors and even my mfgr.

Sorry hardware guys, this failure is on you and your inability to insure quality hardware is driving the new Vista bus.

If Vista doesn't perform for you, you should never have loaded it on your hardware.

Wait until you get appropriate hardware -- and vendors, suck it up, your marketers took over quality control or destroyed it, however you want to sum it up.

Consumer out.

mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.

Is it really that beneficial to your own company to make a statement like that?

MB

In the translation I read (no link available) Lanci took issue mainly with the lack of sales Vista generated for the industry (read: generated for Acer) compared to previous Windows releases, and with Microsoft for allowing customers to develop the perception that Vista was unstable and/or unreliable and/or incompatible. In sales, perception is reality.

JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater

MB wrote:

In the translation I read (no link available) Lanci took issue mainly with the lack of sales Vista generated for the industry (read: generated for Acer) compared to previous Windows releases, and with Microsoft for allowing customers to develop the perception that Vista was unstable and/or unreliable and/or incompatible. In sales, perception is reality.

In reputation, quality is reality.

stevo_
Human after all

What a sensation! :O

die-Sel

I like Vista, looks good etc but for some reason after having it installed for more than 2months it becomes bogged down, running slow ramdom lock ups.

Its not a virus/spyware as my system is clean.

its got me boggled

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

die-Sel wrote:
I like Vista, looks good etc but for some reason after having it installed for more than 2months it becomes bogged down, running slow ramdom lock ups.

Its not a virus/spyware as my system is clean.

its got me boggled

This ssystem has had Vista installed for nearly four months and hasn't slowed down at all. Usually with XP I'd get the urge to reinstall around this time, but not so with Vista at all.

PerfectPhase
"This is not war, this is pest control!" - Dalek to Cyberman

My biggest issue with vista is sleep support on laptops that have nVidia graphics cards (Dell Precision M65 + Quadro FX350M). It appears that it's a known issue with with the nVidia drivers (screen goes black on sleep but PC fails to shutdown) but everyone of the users slates Vista for the problem, not nVidia, they don't know the difference so who can blame them. I'm to the point where I'm going to go looking for ATI graphics modules for these machines, don't have a lot of hope Sad

BTW I have every sleep related hot fix on a couple of these machines and that does not help Sad

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Sven Groot wrote:

die-Sel wrote: I like Vista, looks good etc but for some reason after having it installed for more than 2months it becomes bogged down, running slow ramdom lock ups.

Its not a virus/spyware as my system is clean.

its got me boggled

This ssystem has had Vista installed for nearly four months and hasn't slowed down at all. Usually with XP I'd get the urge to reinstall around this time, but not so with Vista at all.

That's also interesting here... I usually had to reinstall Windows after 6 months or so. Vista is now on my machine for 6 months and runs like in the first day...

eagle

Does anyone here have an Acer laptop?

figuerres
???

PerfectPhase wrote:
My biggest issue with vista is sleep support on laptops that have nVidia graphics cards (Dell Precision M65 + Quadro FX350M). It appears that it's a known issue with with the nVidia drivers (screen goes black on sleep but PC fails to shutdown) but everyone of the users slates Vista for the problem, not nVidia, they don't know the difference so who can blame them. I'm to the point where I'm going to go looking for ATI graphics modules for these machines, don't have a lot of hope

BTW I have every sleep related hot fix on a couple of these machines and that does not help

IHMO it's not just laptops...

I have an HP box that I got about 2 years back.
it runs XP and XP x64 sweet.
it runs Vista almost perfect.... but there are some problems related to the graphics card / Video handling that I am 99% sure are some kind of Vista + nVidia compat issue.

full screen video will make the screen go black and the sound keeps playing , then the whole system crashes.
also sleep seems to be wanky -- one display comes on the other does not for about 2-4 minutes.

this is with Vista x64 ultimate
I might backup and do a re-install with x86 / 32 bit just to check.

the card is an nVidia / BFG 7600GTX PCIx dual DVI out
in 2 years the only os that has crashed this way is Vista.
and I have used a ton of 3d games so I have streessed the system with xp w/o problems.

PerfectPhase
"This is not war, this is pest control!" - Dalek to Cyberman

eagle wrote:
Does anyone here have an Acer laptop?

Wouldn't touch one with a bardge pole!

Where ever possible I like to avoid proprietary hardware in laptops (i.e. Sony).

Some friends have Acers, but they are still on XP, seem to work for them, but they are more of the take it out the box, turn it on and that will do mindset.

Ion Todirel
buuu

littleguru wrote:

Sven Groot wrote:

die-Sel wrote: I like Vista, looks good etc but for some reason after having it installed for more than 2months it becomes bogged down, running slow ramdom lock ups.

Its not a virus/spyware as my system is clean.

its got me boggled

This ssystem has had Vista installed for nearly four months and hasn't slowed down at all. Usually with XP I'd get the urge to reinstall around this time, but not so with Vista at all.

That's also interesting here... I usually had to reinstall Windows after 6 months or so. Vista is now on my machine for 6 months and runs like in the first day...

why guys? seriously wtf, XP SP2 is running on my desktop for almost 2 years and i don't have any problems with it, its fast everything its just ok

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop
Seven of Niner! Resistance is Futile!

eagle wrote:
Does anyone here have an Acer laptop?

I bought them for years but now I stopped because I noticed that all the laptops I bought (5) died after about 3-4 years and all in the same manner: the laptop turns on but the bios won't post (it doesn't even beep for error). I wonder what kind of ultracheap components they mounted on those laptops.

On the other side they had the best laptop chipsets ever (ALI, now ULI, chipsets) that had extremely good linux support and also were the fastest on the market and so well supported that all the windows upgrades I made required no updated drivers to fix problems.

Too bad nvidia bought ULI immediately just after the M1595 chipset release that not only supported both pci-e and agp cards but also beated nforce4 in most benchmarks.

PerfectPhase
"This is not war, this is pest control!" - Dalek to Cyberman

Ion Todirel wrote:
why guys? seriously wtf, XP SP2 is running on my desktop for almost 2 years and i don't have any problems with it, its fast everything its just ok

I'd normally get 18 months out of a dev/testing desktop machine before I had to flatten and start again. Things have been so much better since I test all new software in a vm these days, it would normally be the churn of adding and removing software (esp things like VS betas) that would knacker my machines.

phreaks

JohnAskew wrote:
Vista is great. Sorry Phreaks, Vista kicks XP off my worthy hardware.

The problem with Acer is hardware.

Consumer out.

I'm glad you're enjoying Vista...
That doesn't mean it's a great or even a good business move to adopt it on the corporate side.

Way too many issues to do that now.

Consider the fact they shipped Vista knowing that VS.NET would not work properly... Bad idea, IIS7 has issues with VS.NET and domain permissions, etc etc, UAC, legacy apps that don't work, many more but not worth my time to rant...

If you like Vista great, I'm just saying vista is certainly not ready for us to roll it out at the corporate level (by us I mean my employer).

If anyone's company has officially decided to adopt vista, I would love to hear from you.

JohnAskew
9 girl in pink sweater

phreaks wrote:

JohnAskew wrote: Vista is great. Sorry Phreaks, Vista kicks XP off my worthy hardware.

The problem with Acer is hardware.

Consumer out.

I'm glad you're enjoying Vista...
That doesn't mean it's a great or even a good business move to adopt it on the corporate side.

Way too many issues to do that now.

Consider the fact they shipped Vista knowing that VS.NET would not work properly... Bad idea, IIS7 has issues with VS.NET and domain permissions, etc etc, UAC, legacy apps that don't work, many more but not worth my time to rant...

If you like Vista great, I'm just saying vista is certainly not ready for us to roll it out at the corporate level (by us I mean my employer).

If anyone's company has officially decided to adopt vista, I would love to hear from you.

This company is already all Vista. We develop retail software and are targeting Vista. I hope our competitors share Phreaks mindset!

Island Dog

This sounds like a sensationalist headline, and this one person is supposedly speaking for the "industry". I don't buy it.

phreaks

JohnAskew wrote:

phreaks wrote:

JohnAskew wrote: Vista is great. Sorry Phreaks, Vista kicks XP off my worthy hardware.

The problem with Acer is hardware.

Consumer out.

I'm glad you're enjoying Vista...
That doesn't mean it's a great or even a good business move to adopt it on the corporate side.

Way too many issues to do that now.

Consider the fact they shipped Vista knowing that VS.NET would not work properly... Bad idea, IIS7 has issues with VS.NET and domain permissions, etc etc, UAC, legacy apps that don't work, many more but not worth my time to rant...

If you like Vista great, I'm just saying vista is certainly not ready for us to roll it out at the corporate level (by us I mean my employer).

If anyone's company has officially decided to adopt vista, I would love to hear from you.

This company is already all Vista. We develop retail software and are targeting Vista. I hope our competitors share Phreaks mindset!

Well, that fits for you then. I am in financials, and can assure you that it won't work for us. I'll re-evaluate after SP1 is released.