zune, a good try but buh bye | The Coffeehouse

Jaz
From the depths of Wales I come

Ipod Classic 160gb yes please

Ipod Touch with wifi. It has a browser, you can download songs from itunes with it, you can synch wirelessly. everything the zune shoulda done.

Microsoft what are you doing, i mean really what are you doing? you best announce something better than a price cut tomorrow.

you've had all this time to deliver promised upgrades, to expand it globally and you've sat on your asses. one of your execs gave you a B- of course thats biased. i give you FAIL

Stebet
Buuuurrrritoooo!

Jaz wrote:
Ipod Classic 160gb yes please

Ipod Touch with wifi. It has a browser, you can download songs from itunes with it, you can synch wirelessly. everything the zune shoulda done.

Microsoft what are you doing, i mean really what are you doing? you best announce something better than a price cut tomorrow.

you've had all this time to deliver promised upgrades, to expand it globally and you've sat on your asses. one of your execs gave you a B- of course thats biased. i give you FAIL

I couldn't agree more.

Sorry MS guys but the Zune just got it's (I need to watch my language) handed to it big-time. I've never been a big fan of the Apple stuff but this is the first time i actually want to run out and buy an iPod (the touch that is).The only way i could possibly see Zune recover now is release a Zune 2.0 with the same features as the iPod Touch but give it developer extensibility, for example with support for the .NET Framework and some kickass WORLDWIDE collaborations (like VH1, MTV or something similar).

And even if that happened MS would still have a mountain to climb.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Stebet wrote:

I couldn't agree more.Sorry MS guys but the Zune just got it's (I need to watch my language) handed to it big-time. I've never been a big fan of the Apple stuff but this is the first time i actually want to run out and buy an iPod (the touch that is).The only way i could possibly see Zune recover now is release a Zune 2.0 with the same features as the iPod Touch but give it developer extensibility, for example with support for the .NET Framework and some kickass WORLDWIDE collaborations (like VH1, MTV or something similar).And even if that happened MS would still have a mountain to climb.

You'll notice the iPhonepod doesn't have "song swapping" via wifi unlike the Zune.

Probably a good thing, Apple knew they'd be screwed by the record industry. Someone will probably hack it though.

intelman

I like my Zune. I mainly got it because it was cheap and I am a college student, but I like it. The only thing I can complain about is the battery life could be longer and I wish the screen were uber hard and impossible to scratch. I hate scratches on my screen...saddly I have acquired a few Sad

I personally think the Zune has a nice simple clean design that is more favorable to the round smooth edges of the iPod. I know quite a few people who have Zunes at Ohio State, I can't imagine the sales are doing too bad. Even my home town (small and non techy) of London, Ohio, I know at least a dozen people with Zunes.

Lloyd_Humph
If Blackberrys are addictive cellphones, Channel9 is the ultimate addictive website.

I think it'd be cool if they made a MUSIC PLAYER.

These days they play movies, music, share music via wifi... I just want to listen to MUSIC. Sure, I'd like the whole Wifi stuff if it was practical. If you could use it as a modem. If you could actually surf the web.

For now, they should concentrate on it playing all the big formats AND OGG VORBIS! and playing some simple movies. Make it cheap, durable, big battery, big HDD. I'm looking at a larger music player - a 2GB card in my phone just wont cut it at the moment, my library is rapidly approaching about 15GB.

I saw a philips 30gb MP3 player on ebay complete with a nice UI for £40. Perhaps MS should make stuff cheaper and more durable.

I want a zune. I must say, it appeals to me. Especially the brown one. I want a brown zune. I just wont buy one until

a) I can use it as a modem
b) I can surf the web with it
c) I can chat to other Zune-ers nearby with it, like Nintendo DS
d) Its cheaper

intelman

A zune as a modem? I'm not sure why anyone would want that, I'm not even sure if it makes sense.

Now if you could surf the web or connect directly to an Wi Fi hotspot with the Zune and do something, that'd be sweet.

Lloyd_Humph
If Blackberrys are addictive cellphones, Channel9 is the ultimate addictive website.

No as in, hook it into my pc, then use it to connect to the network. I could then use my Zune as a Wifi connector thing to connect to my network, instead of buying two devices. I suppose modem was the wrong word.

Jaz
From the depths of Wales I come

i can't be arsed dorting out what i just said.

It sounds like you want an ipod classic (new name of the ipod) tbh.

your modem idea is.... silly, just get a cheap usb wifi card thingy

jamie
say what!?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5366534.stm

it would be amazing to put ALL of MSR on this and make a small and large version - tablet OS with Surface UI

that would be what bills been picturing / written about in his books. so... do it! Smiley

Jaz
From the depths of Wales I come

jamie wrote:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5366534.stm

it would be amazing to put ALL of MSR on this and make a small and large version - tablet OS with Surface UI

now THAT would be what bills been picturing all along - and written about in books. so... do it!

throwing the thread off topic?

jamie
say what!?

Jaz wrote:

jamie wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5366534.stm

it would be amazing to put ALL of MSR on this and make a small and large version - tablet OS with Surface UI

now THAT would be what bills been picturing all along - and written about in books. so... do it!

throwing the thread off topic?

no.. apples got a touch screen full screen UI ipod now

so to beat that - make it roll up - easy? ..no. cool? i think

edit:

DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!

I'm dissapointed in the limited capacity of the iPod Touch. 30GB and I would very tempted to snap one up. 16GB for $400 isn't going to cut it for me though.

I hope they haven't screwed up the UI too much on the classics.

jamie
say what!?

Chinmay007 wrote:

That would be cool, but that type of display technology is probably at least ten years away.

well by putting all of MSR on it maybe it would be quicker

Lloyd_Humph
If Blackberrys are addictive cellphones, Channel9 is the ultimate addictive website.

BTW, does the Zune stream media? Like if I had a networked drive, it'd connect up and play music off it?

Also, does the PSP do this/will the PSPv2?

OrigamiCar

I've got to say that I'm definately no Apple Fan Boy (can't stand Macs) and I've never once bought anything from Apple, but the iPod Touch is extremely sweet looking. The ONLY thing stopping me from buying one is 16gb capacity - way too low. If they had introduced an 80gb or 160gb harddisk version, I would definately have preordered one today...

It will be interesting to see what MS comes up with for zune 2 and I really hope they suprise me, but I'm not holding my breath.
I currently own a zune v1 and like it a lot. Microsoft are announcing their v2 ones soon I believe, but if the v2's are just improved v1's with higher capacity and a new shell design, I doubt I'll be buying one.

Next year when Apple announces the iPod Touch 160gb (or 300gb Wink ) version, I'm afraid that's when I'll probably be making the switch and buying my first ever Apple product....

Come on Microsoft, don't make me switch!! [6]

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop
Seven of Niner! Resistance is Futile!

I'm sure Creative won't be happy about the new nano "fatty".

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Yep, Microsoft could've beaten Apple at this game and came out with exactly what Apple is doing now, only 10 months earlier. But hey, let's not. Let's put in wifi, but instead of wireless synching and buying and downloading songs straight from the device itself, let's just use it to enable people to send songs to each other. Because that makes so much sense.

Hey, maybe the new Zunes coming out this year will be able to function as a mass storage device. That'd be AMAZING!

harumscarum
out of memory

Looks cool however I do not think I can take another itunes update!

Ray6

Capacity of the iPod Touch is a little small; I was hoping for 60GB at least.

Still, between that and the Starbucks tie-in, Apple has the market pretty sewn up. The name 'Zune' will probably slot in alongside 'Microsoft Bob' a few years time.

... best Microsoft can hope for is that Apple don't ever release an SDK for this, 'cos the Windows Mobile line could be in trouble too ....

But with only 16GB on the iPod Touch, it's a shame that Apple didn't include a memory card slot.

So now it's between an iPod, the new Creative Zen, or the Archos 605 ... or wait to see what the iRiver P10 is all about.

Choice is great ... Big Smile

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

Zune was always a dead product. Never took off. The new iPods just finished throwing the dirt on the grave.

keeron
Obsessive Geek

Ray6 wrote:
... best Microsoft can hope for is that Apple don't ever release an SDK for this, 'cos the Windows Mobile line could be in trouble too ....

Hmmm, didn't know their SDK was similar to .NET (CF) SDK (+ silverslight support)....

Ray6

keeron wrote:

Ray6 wrote:... best Microsoft can hope for is that Apple don't ever release an SDK for this, 'cos the Windows Mobile line could be in trouble too ....

Hmmm, didn't know their SDK was similar to .NET (CF) SDK (+ silverslight support)....

Well, they haven't released an SDK , and who's to say if they ever will.

But if the iPod's operating system is OSX, then I imagine that the SDK will be Cocoa/ObjectiveC. Now given that Mac developers do amazing things with Cocoa on the desktop, then they will have a field day with iPod stuff. I have an idea for an application on the iPhone/iPod Touch, and if an SDK came along, I would certainly give it a bash.

The next version of Leopard will also support true resolution independence. I'm not a graphics bod, but the ability to scale applications to any screen size ... well anyway, Apple has not said anything about an SDK, so the point is pretty moot for the time being.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

harumscarum wrote:
Looks cool however I do not think I can take another itunes update!

Apple is taking a risk by fragmenting the market and moving from their "one-size fits all" product: the iPod, to a range of now five devices:

Shuffle
Nano
Touch
iPhone
Classic

Personally, I think the Touch won't sell so well. Capacity-wise it doesn't have much going for it compared to the Nano, and the functionality gained: the internet access/safari and wifi itunes aren't good enough to sell the product. Essentially its a gutted iPhone. Wifi coverage isn't ubiquitous.

In the long term, I think Apple will discontinue the Shuffle because the Nano is pretty cheap as it is. Note they have't refreshed the Shuffle's design this time round. I can see them killing off the Nano for the Touch or merging the two together, right now they're competing with each other.

I reckon the iPod Classic will be here to stay, but they risk damaging their brand with the "Classic" moniker. They should have called it just "iPod".

BTW, does anyone else notice the irony here?

Apple creates an advert denouncing Microsoft for providing 5 versions of Windows Vista, with their one-size-fits-all OS X. But now they've got 5 kinds of iPod, and Microsoft's got one kind of Zune.

Hmmmmm

Ray6

W3bbo wrote:
BTW, does anyone else notice the irony here?

Apple creates an advert denouncing Microsoft for providing 5 versions of Windows Vista, with their one-size-fits-all OS X. But now they've got 5 kinds of iPod, and Microsoft's got one kind of Zune.

Completely different situation.

The product line seems to be carefully laid out, with no real overlap, though I think not having the iPod Touch coming in at least 30GB, is a mistake. Still, they're nibble enough to switch if the need arises. I don't think we're going to see the same confusion you get with Vista's multiple matrix of hideousness.

And surprisingly enough, Apple played it cautiously by keeping the large capacity classic iPods; not everyone will like the touch interface. They'll see how many do before they decide on the next round of product refreshes.

jamie
say what!?

i hate the term "squirt" ... but is it technically possible to have a rfd squirt port (ha) to squirt to the magnetic strip readers in bank card readers?

like Zune + Interac (its called here)

so when purchasing something instead of swiping your card and then typing - youd click your - finger printed unlocked - zune at it and it would transmit to you the purchase info, fill in password, From Chequing - enter = ok / done? *click

of course interac would probably need new machines / code to support it ... again this is all pie in the sky stuff. to beat apple they need to announce stuff that doesnt exist yet.. ?

* i liked finger print on button idea.. plus i hate waiting for those damn machines at check out... ms also has windows retail or something too dont they?