Student tasered @ Kerry event - WTF? | The Coffeehouse

phreaks

Ok, so the guy was being a bit of a loon, but did he really deserve all that?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE&mode=related&search=

harumscarum
out of memory

I didn't think SecretSoftware was a gator...I kid, I kid

I think the Cops just got caught up in the moment. I don't know why people do things like this and not expect something negative to happen. I bet this guy is a regular on digg/reddit Smiley

j0217995

So someone resists areest, doesn't listen to the cops when they tell the kid to stop and the kid gets tasered.... whats wrong with that??? I've seen and heard about 4 different videos and frankly I think the kid gets what is comming to him. Now granted I think the kid didn't need to escororted out by the cops in the first place, but when an office tells you to stop and you don't then you ressit the arrest... well

ManipUni
Proving QQ for 5 years!

Interesting point in which the video cuts in. I would love to see the 5 minutes leading up to that.

I'm less interested in the fact that he got a taser to the butt, and a little more interested in why he was arrested to begin with.

The guy might have been asking to get tased... But as I said, the real question / story here is why was he being arrested.

PS - Police will more readily use a taser than a knife stick because to them it feels less violent. I mean pushing a button and having someone else feel pain is much easier for them to deal with than is striking someone with a weapon.

In Stanley Milgram's experiment do you think people would have beat other people to death with a stick? No? Well they happily did by pushing a button. Same thing.

JeremyJ
The pioneers would be appalled!

Every cop knows what it is like to be tasered. It is something they have to go through at the training academy. They also have to get a full blast of pepper spray to the face and are asked to perform tasks before they can pass the academy.

I can guarantee you that they don't take tasering someone lightly because they know what it feels like. I am sure there is more to that video than they are showing and he probably deserved it.

jsampsonPC
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The kid had good questions, IMHO. But he delivered it all wrong. Don't a politician like that in public and expect everything to be cool Smiley

He should have used his head a bit more, calmed down, and asked his questions like a civil human-being.

ManipUni
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JeremyJ wrote:
I can guarantee you that they don't take tasering someone lightly because they know what it feels like.

You can't guarantee me of that. I'm sure police are aware that getting smacked with a big stick doesn't feel great, but yet still happily do it to suspects who aren't really a threat to them.

phreaks

ManipUni wrote:
Interesting point in which the video cuts in. I would love to see the 5 minutes leading up to that.

I'm less interested in the fact that he got a taser to the butt, and a little more interested in why he was arrested to begin with.

The whole video clip of him from the time he takes the podium to present his question can be found here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA

I thought tasering and any use of similar non-lethal force was solely for violent situations, is this seriously an acceptable form of control for non-violent situations?

JeremyJ
The pioneers would be appalled!

ManipUni wrote:
I'm sure police are aware that getting smacked with a big stick doesn't feel great, but yet still happily do it to suspects who aren't really a threat to them.

It sounds like you are watching a little too much TV. You make it sound like all cops will just beat you with a stick for no reason. Incidents of police abuse is very rare. The TV and the internet make it sound like it is a daily practice.

I work at a police department so I know many police officers. I have also met many from across the country. Police officers are human beings. Human beings make mistakes, but just plain bad police officers are removed as soon as they are discovered.

jsampsonPC
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phreaks wrote:
...I thought tasering and any use of similar non-lethal force was solely for violent situations, is this seriously an acceptable form of control for non-violent situations?

Probably not, but then again, how many videos do you find online of police officers doing charity work? Smiley

99% of the videos propogated online are of police-brutality, police-threats, and police-carelessness. I saw a video just a couple days ago where a police officer was caught threatening to make up charges to ruin a kids evening and have his car towed.

Face it, you give enough people badges and pistols and you will always have a handful who feel like they run the world as long as they're wearing their blue.

Fortunately, we have youtube, and many of these corrupt officers are getting what they deserve.

ManipUni
Proving QQ for 5 years!

phreaks wrote:

The whole video clip of him from the time he takes the podium to present his question can be found here --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sE76LQwT6qA

He did deserve to be arrested.

phreaks wrote:
I thought tasering and any use of similar non-lethal force was solely for violent situations, is this seriously an acceptable form of control for non-violent situations?

Yeah, I feel the same way.

I see a taser as a gun alternative. It isn't something you just use because someone is a little too loud or a little too difficult. The police in the UK have been handling difficult arrests for the past couple of hundred years.

PS - Yes I know police in the UK just got tasers, let's hope they use them responsibly.

JeremyJ wrote:
Incidents of police abuse is very rare. The TV and the internet make it sound like it is a daily practice.

So it is ok as long as it is rare?

dahat

I'm certainly not one who takes pleasure in other people's pain... however in cases like this I can only hope that he had a little common sense zapped into him.

Even if he shouldn't have been arrested, he acted wrong both before and after the arrest began. The moment police place their hands on you and/or say that you are under arrest... YOU DO NOT RESIST. Failure to do so such as trying to make a public scene and resisting arrest does nothing but give the police more power and authority over you and the freedom to exercise it.

Think you shouldn't be arrested? Fine. Take it to court it AFTER THE FACT. Until then... they've got the guns, tazers, mace, billy clubs and THE LAW on their sides.

JeremyJ
The pioneers would be appalled!

ManipUni wrote:
So it is ok as long as it is rare?

Where did I say it was ok? Please don't put words in my mouth.
I just don't like it when people think that all cops are corrupt. They put their lives on the line every day to keep you safe so they deserve some respect.

If you think you can do a better job then head down and join up.

ManipUni
Proving QQ for 5 years!

I do respect the police to a point. I just respect humanity more.

dahat

I don't think we can have this discussion with out pointing to this excellent video where advice is given on how to deal with the police when they come asking questions without giving up ones rights

BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

On the site http://www.flexyourrights.org similar advice is given and the biggest point which this brilliant college student missed which they state multiple times... Do Not Physically Resist.

God I can't believe I'm linking to and liking something from the ACLU.

stevo_
Human after all

Personally I watched it without sound and thought he was asking for it.. he started resisting instantly and just got more and more 'stupid'..

SecretSoftware
Code to live, but Live to code.

It shows the state of political dissent in the USA.

All I can say, R.I.P American Democracy.

Who would of thought something like this would happen in the US of A?

Tyranny is going to happen. It will be wrose when Bush suspends the constitution.

The only reason the police did this, is because the police is not afraid of getting in trouble with the law, because of the immoral Patriot Act.

I can remember 10 years ago, when students would be able to discuss differing points of view without being pulled aside and tasered by the SS or the gestapo.

[C]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SQ7H8HrF8pc

Here we have it:
You Get Tasered For using Your Voice In A Student Forum in An American University.

DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!

dahat wrote:

BUSTED: The Citizen's Guide to Surviving Police Encounters

There's also the Chris Rock version (NSFW)

jsampsonPC
SampsonBlog.com SampsonVideos.com

SecretSoftware wrote:
...Here we have it:
You Get Tasered For using Your Voice In A Student Forum in An American University.

No, you get tazed for insubordination. He wasn't collected in his questioning, he wasn't respectful to the speaker, he wasn't respectful to the format of the discussion or the audience (Wanting to exhaust a history of information before asking several questions, and taking up much time). When he was approached by the police, he started making a scene and screaming. I'm sure they were going to remove him from the auditorium, but he continued to resist when he shouldn't have.

He was not punished for "using his voice", as you put it. He was punished for being an idiot.

dahat

Ahh more un-informed anti-Americanism from our resident terrorist supporting 9er... way to go on making this a political thread as well... I was wondering when you were going to bring this thread down... so lets refute you shall we?

SecretSoftware wrote:
It shows the state of political dissent in the USA.

Thank you for showing your understanding of polite discourse, something you refuse to engage in, not unlike the student in question did.

There is a time and place for everything and he went over his time and decided instead of gracefully ending, he ignored the repeated requests from the hosts to be quiet... only then did the police get involved.

Political dissent does NOT mean preventing other people from speaking, it means having polite discourse which does NOT include refusing to step down when asked to in a public forum as this person was. Polite discourse does NOT include making baseless accusations and/or refusing to address relivant issues that have been brought up as you so often do here.

SecretSoftware wrote:
All I can say, R.I.P American Democracy.

The US has is not now nor has it ever been a Democracy, nor was it ever intended to be such. This country is a Constitutional Republic, please learn the difference between them, if not for our sake than for yours so you don't keep showing your ignorance on such a fundimental topic.

SecretSoftware wrote:
Who would of thought something like this would happen in the US of A?

Such things have gone on since the start of this country where people refuse to abide by the law or rules of a private or open gathering and have historically been supported by the larger population in general where disruptive elements are asked to remove and if they refuse, removed by force.

SecretSoftware wrote:
Tyranny is going to happen. It will be wrose when Bush suspends the constitution.

Perhaps you should read the Constitution as well as the concept of checks and balances. What you fear is beyond the capability of this President or any President without sufficient popular support, something that does not exist now and likely will not for a great deal of time as most people are pretty happy with our system of government compared to most of the others out there.

SecretSoftware wrote:
The only reason the police did this, is because the police is not afraid of getting in trouble with the law, because of the immoral Patriot Act.

Really? I guess I must have missed the line in the PATRIOT ACT that says "the police shall at their slightest whim taze anyone who they want to without fear of repercussions."

If true.. that means that there is no chance that they acted with a proper escalation of force, starting with 2 officers, then 4, then 6, continually ordering the student to be quiet and submit to their lawful arrest and only after he refused multiple times did they escalate it to the next logical step.

SecretSoftware wrote:
I can remember 10 years ago, when students would be able to discuss differing points of view without being pulled aside and tasered by the SS or the gestapo.

Again you seem to have missed their lawful arrest of him and his refusal to comply with their lawful orders and resisting arrest which gave them the right to escalate.

Same thing happend 10, 20 and even 100 years ago. I'm sorry that your memory is so short.

SecretSoftware
Code to live, but Live to code.

jsampsonPC wrote:

SecretSoftware wrote:...Here we have it:
You Get Tasered For using Your Voice In A Student Forum in An American University.

No, you get tazed for insubordination. He wasn't collected in his questioning, he wasn't respectful to the speaker, he wasn't respectful to the format of the discussion or the audience (Wanting to exhaust a history of information before asking several questions, and taking up much time). When he was approached by the police, he started making a scene and screaming. I'm sure they were going to remove him from the auditorium, but he continued to resist when he shouldn't have.

He was not punished for "using his voice", as you put it. He was punished for being an idiot.

Yeah, but wait...

He asked him a question, why did the police get involved?

And how was he not being respectful? He was expressing his opinion about Kerry, and that is the American way.

So why did the police get involved? I mean I did not see any threat coming from him. He Only Asked a question.

I don't think you seriously think he deserved this, or that the police should have pulled him out like that for simply asking a question that Kerry did not like!

C'mon man, you know if you or I were in the situation like that, I don't think you would like people justifying the unjustifiable to put the blame on you for asking a question.[A]

And So what If someone wants to be an Idiot? Being an idiot is debatable. And in USA you should be free to be an idiot or anything else without being tasered.

SecretSoftware
Code to live, but Live to code.

dahat wrote:

Ahh more un-informed anti-Americanism from our resident terrorist supporting 9er... way to go on making this a political thread as well... I was wondering when you were going to bring this thread down... so lets refute you shall we?

SecretSoftware wrote:It shows the state of political dissent in the USA.

Thank you for showing your understanding of polite discourse, something you refuse to engage in, not unlike the student in question did.

There is a time and place for everything and he went over his time and decided instead of gracefully ending, he ignored the repeated requests from the hosts to be quiet... only then did the police get involved.

Political dissent does NOT mean preventing other people from speaking, it means having polite discourse which does NOT include refusing to step down when asked to in a public forum as this person was. Polite discourse does NOT include making baseless accusations and/or refusing to address relivant issues that have been brought up as you so often do here.

SecretSoftware wrote:All I can say, R.I.P American Democracy.

The US has is not now nor has it ever been a Democracy, nor was it ever intended to be such. This country is a Constitutional Republic, please learn the difference between them, if not for our sake than for yours so you don't keep showing your ignorance on such a fundimental topic.

SecretSoftware wrote:Who would of thought something like this would happen in the US of A?

Such things have gone on since the start of this country where people refuse to abide by the law or rules of a private or open gathering and have historically been supported by the larger population in general where disruptive elements are asked to remove and if they refuse, removed by force.

SecretSoftware wrote:Tyranny is going to happen. It will be wrose when Bush suspends the constitution.

Perhaps you should read the Constitution as well as the concept of checks and balances. What you fear is beyond the capability of this President or any President without sufficient popular support, something that does not exist now and likely will not for a great deal of time as most people are pretty happy with our system of government compared to most of the others out there.

SecretSoftware wrote:The only reason the police did this, is because the police is not afraid of getting in trouble with the law, because of the immoral Patriot Act.

Really? I guess I must have missed the line in the PATRIOT ACT that says "the police shall at their slightest whim taze anyone who they want to without fear of repercussions."

If true.. that means that there is no chance that they acted with a proper escalation of force, starting with 2 officers, then 4, then 6, continually ordering the student to be quiet and submit to their lawful arrest and only after he refused multiple times did they escalate it to the next logical step.

SecretSoftware wrote:I can remember 10 years ago, when students would be able to discuss differing points of view without being pulled aside and tasered by the SS or the gestapo.

Again you seem to have missed their lawful arrest of him and his refusal to comply with their lawful orders and resisting arrest which gave them the right to escalate.

Same thing happend 10, 20 and even 100 years ago. I'm sorry that your memory is so short.

I am not going to respond to what you say because all of it is weak arguments.

But I will ask you this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rcZig9Fkr1A

Should this reporter be tasered? Why or Why not?

dahat

SecretSoftware wrote:
Yeah, but wait...

Yeah but nothing... You really refuse to do research beyond conspiracy sites and YouTube don’t you?

SecretSoftware wrote:
He asked him a question, why did the police get involved?

Because the student had gone over his time, his mic turned off and asked by the event organizers to sit down. Only after he refused were the police asked to remove him.

SecretSoftware wrote:
And how was he not being respectful? He was expressing his opinion about Kerry, and that is the American way.

See previous statement.

SecretSoftware wrote:
So why did the police get involved? I mean I did not see any threat coming from him. He Only Asked a question.

See previous statement.

SecretSoftware wrote:
I don't think you seriously think he deserved this, or that the police should have pulled him out like that for simply asking a question that Kerry did not like!

You are free to have that opinion... thankfully though this is not a democracy, this country does not subscribe to mob rule and you are not in charge... thus meaning your opinions on it are pretty worthless.

SecretSoftware wrote:
C'mon man, you know if you or I were in the situation like that, I don't think you would like people justifying the unjustifiable to put the blame on you for asking a question.

Again, he was asked to shut up and sit down by the event organizers, he refused. If I or anyone else did the same I would expect that the organizers and/or police would do the same as they did here.

SecretSoftware wrote:
And So what If someone wants to be an Idiot? Being an idiot is debatable. And in USA you should be free to be an idiot or anything else without being tasered.

There is nothing wrong with just being an idiot... he went well beyond just being an idoit by resisting arrest.

OJ is another perfect example. Him possibly being an idiot is not illegal, him committing armed robbery because of him possibly being an idiot is.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

dahat wrote:
terrorist

Oh, no you just said the "t" word. I think I just wet myself. Damn neo-con. Mad

dahat

SecretSoftware wrote:
I am not going to respond to what you say because all of it is weak arguments.

LOL

So rather than prove my weak arguments as I have done to yours every single time I've replied to you... you admit that you are either unwilling or unable to do so.

Given your history here we all know quite well that you are unable to and it would be nice for once if you’d just admit it rather than playing such childish games.

SecretSoftware wrote:
But I will ask you this:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=rcZig9Fkr1A

Should this reporter be tasered? Why or Why not?

Tim Russert was being respectful, the student was not.

You don't seem to understand that the question is largely irrelevant... it is HOW it is being asked that matters... not unlike what I said in my previous post... but then according to you it is a weak argument.

And now that you've dug yourself into a nice hole... I shall withdraw from this thread and allow you to keep digging yourself deeper and allow other 9ers to pick up where I’ve left off.