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DigitalDud

http://www.acm.uiuc.edu/conference/2007/video/UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut.wmv

Here's a pretty neat video of Microsoft's Eric Traut talking about virtualization, and a demo of a super stripped down version of Windows 7 (such that it is right now). Apparently a goal is for Windows 7 to scale to 256 core machines.

Dhamaal

Okay... So its finally getting "simpler" and hopefully easier. But miniWin takes up 40m RAM. Isnt that quite a lot if it doesnt even have a GUI since even Windows 3.1 and Windows 95 with a GUI would be able to run in 32mb and 64 mb respectively. And they really need to reconsider the naming convention of svchost. Too many of those run in Vista and I cannot tell which one corresponds to which service.

cornelius

hmm i can already see "one will only ever need 256 cores" jokes poping up!

stevo_
Human after all

I'm waiting for another 10-15 years time when 'we' come out with 'oobervisor', and how we made a huge mistake with the hypervisor because we only abstracted once..

PeterF
Early Adopter

Nice Ascii art boot screen, may we have that one in Vista SP1? Smiley

TimP

I was there. Smiley

The MinWin stuff is really neat.

Ion Todirel
buuu

cool video, if Channel9 videos where that technic... Sad

littleguru
<3 Seattle

I'm watching right now. Smiley

Great link. Thanks!

keeron
Obsessive Geek

Long blogged on it:

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/eric-talk-demo-windows-7-minwin/

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Ion Todirel wrote:
cool video, if Channel9 videos where that technic...

Well this one is from an uni...

littleguru
<3 Seattle

keeron wrote:
Long blogged on it:

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/eric-talk-demo-windows-7-minwin/

That's wyh I like Long's blog Smiley

He has great posts.

Charles
Welcome Change

Ion Todirel wrote:
cool video, if Channel9 videos where that technic...

We don't film presentations. Further, we don't make the assumption that our audience is composed primarily of CS graduate students. That said, we do provide some rather technical content from time to time...

Balance is important when the information is targeted at a general technical audience as opposed to a specific subset of domain experts...

Now, if you are asking for more techical content that approaches advanced academic levels, then, yes, we can, do and will provide this as well as our conversational meet-the-people-behind-the-scenes style.
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esoteric
λ

I could only download 10 MB of it, then the connection was cut. A friend of mine couldn't even open it. Any mirrors? ... Nevermind Free Download Manager did the trick nicely. Smiley

kettch

creditcard wrote:
Is there an overview or something of the planned features for Windows 7?

Forget that, when can we expect to see some bits on MSDN? Tongue Out

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

creditcard wrote:
Is there an overview or something of the planned features for Windows 7?

Not yet. We're working on that.

intelman

I'm glad to see Microsoft focusing on performance. It should be Microsoft's goal to make Windows the most efficient and functional operating system. I think Microsoft is there with security now, it is now possible to run windows while not being an administrator...but I do not think they're there with performance yet. I need my fast boot times.

RichardRudek
So what do you expect for nothin'... :P

esoteric wrote:
I could only download 10 MB of it, then the connection was cut. A friend of mine couldn't even open it. Any mirrors? ... Nevermind Free Download Manager did the trick nicely.

Yeah, I had that exact same problem, yesterday. Downloaded it again earlier today, and have now got the full 146MB of it:

18-Oct-07  19:45        10,591,740 UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut!.wmv
19-Oct-07  10:46       150,099,855 UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut.wmv

TimP

intelman wrote:
I need my fast boot times.

I'm not sure I see the fascination with boot speed. I turn my computer on when I wake up and turn it off when I go to bed. It's on for about 16 hours a day and it spends maybe 2-3 minutes tops booting. I'd rather see them work on enhancing performance around the parts that I spend the majority of the time using.

TimP

RichardRudek wrote:
esoteric wrote: I could only download 10 MB of it, then the connection was cut. A friend of mine couldn't even open it. Any mirrors? ... Nevermind Free Download Manager did the trick nicely.

Yeah, I had that exact same problem, yesterday. Downloaded it again earlier today, and have now got the full 146MB of it:
18-Oct-07  19:45        10,591,740 UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut!.wmv
19-Oct-07  10:46       150,099,855 UIUC-ACM-RP07-Traut.wmv

Several of the videos had ~10 minutes of silent setup time in the beginning before the talks started, so they were edited and re-uploaded. You may have been downloading when the old version was replaced with the new version.

longzheng

littleguru wrote:

keeron wrote:Long blogged on it:

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/eric-talk-demo-windows-7-minwin/

That's wyh I like Long's blog He has great posts.

And that's why I like Channel9, lots of interesting posts Smiley

DigitalDud

keeron wrote:

Long blogged on it:

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/eric-talk-demo-windows-7-minwin/

Yeah, I really shouldn't have put Windows 7 in the tile, it's totally BS, this video doesn't really have anything to do with Windows 7, I just figured Long would pick it up. Smiley

So, there's some internal project that involves running a stripped down NT kernel, it has nothing to do with any actual product. The fact that it has some bits from the Win7 codebase is probably irrelevant since I doubt much code would even be written yet.

The ASCII Windows logo is gold though.

Also did anyone notice this got Slashdotted? The summary there is so wrong and awful. And the comments, oh god I want to gouge my eyes out. Tongue Out

intelman

TimP wrote:

intelman wrote: I need my fast boot times.

I'm not sure I see the fascination with boot speed. I turn my computer on when I wake up and turn it off when I go to bed. It's on for about 16 hours a day and it spends maybe 2-3 minutes tops booting. I'd rather see them work on enhancing performance around the parts that I spend the majority of the time using.

In between classes I like to take my laptop out and check my email, since my TAs email random crap all the time. Sometimes I need to see that email before heading to class. I like to open my laptop lid and to be ready fast...

DigitalDud

intelman wrote:

In between classes I like to take my laptop out and check my email, since my TAs email random crap all the time. Sometimes I need to see that email before heading to class. I like to open my laptop lid and to be ready fast...

Right, trustworthy power management would also be a nice alternative to fast boot speeds. I want to be able to put my laptop to sleep, and have it stay asleep. Not wake up inside a bag, and melt itself to death, which has happened on a Vista laptop.

longzheng

DigitalDud wrote:

keeron wrote:
Long blogged on it:

http://www.istartedsomething.com/20071019/eric-talk-demo-windows-7-minwin/

Yeah, I really shouldn't have put Windows 7 in the tile, it's totally BS, this video doesn't really have anything to do with Windows 7, I just figured Long would pick it up.

So, there's some internal project that involves running a stripped down NT kernel, it has nothing to do with any actual product. The fact that it has some bits from the Win7 codebase is probably irrelevant since I doubt much code would even be written yet.

Also did anyone notice this got Slashdotted? The summary there is so wrong and awful. And the comments, oh god I want to gorge my eyes out.

What do you mean? It's clearly going to impact or at least influence what Windows 7's kernel will look like.

I agree with you if you say MinWin is not going to replace the Windows kernel in 7 at least, but they're not going to spend all this effort and not improve the production kernel they'll ship. Smiley

DigitalDud

longzheng wrote:
What do you mean? It's clearly going to impact or at least influence what Windows 7's kernel will look like.

I agree with you if you say MinWin is not going to replace the Windows kernel in 7 at least, but they're not going to spend all this effort and not improve the production kernel they'll ship.

Right but Traut said over and over in the video there are no productization plans for MinWin, meaning its probably not going to end up in Windows 7. It seems like its more of an internal experiment, how small can NT be stripped down and still boot. In no way could this be used for any practical purposes.