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Bas
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creditcard wrote:

No I didn't make it up. And it isn't really needed for you to tell me that Tranquil's T7-HSA shipped over two months ago. I guess that kinda proves the point though.

I thought you said it was available on july 16th?

creditcard wrote:
Yeah, and Windows XP is outselling Ubuntu, Ubuntu is outselling Windows Vista, etc. etc. Amazon isn't exactly a major electronics retailer.

Feel free to come up with figures of your own. So far I'm not seeing you back up your numbers.

Bas
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Rossj wrote:

Bas wrote:

Rossj wrote:
Sounded interesting, but the HP site looks like they are still on pre-order.

Ah, so if a product that isn't even released yet is pre-ordered more than other pc's and hardware is bought, that means it's a flop?

I didn't say that, only time will tell if it succeeds or not - I was questioning your assertion that it is a top-seller at Amazon if it is only pre-order.

True, you didn't, my bad. Anyway, here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/pc/ref=pd_ts_pc_nav

And yeah, time will tell.

Rossj

Bas wrote:

Rossj wrote:
Sounded interesting, but the HP site looks like they are still on pre-order.

Ah, so if a product that isn't even released yet is pre-ordered more than other pc's and hardware is bought, that means it's a flop?

I didn't say that, only time will tell if it succeeds or not - I was questioning your assertion that it is a top 5 seller at Amazon if it is only pre-order. Either pretty impressive, or nobody buys much HW from amazon.

It's here. Lots of Apple stuff in the top 25 Smiley

harumscarum
out of memory

creditcard wrote:

Rossj wrote:

Bas wrote:

Rossj wrote:
Sounded interesting, but the HP site looks like they are still on pre-order.

Ah, so if a product that isn't even released yet is pre-ordered more than other pc's and hardware is bought, that means it's a flop?

I didn't say that, only time will tell if it succeeds or not - I was questioning your assertion that it is a top 5 seller at Amazon if it is only pre-order. Either pretty impressive, or nobody buys much HW from amazon.

As far as the USA is concerned: Best Buy is the number one electronics retailer, followed closely by Walmart, and thirdly Circuit City. Amazon is typically used by more savvy computer users (i.e. those who know how to use a damn computer), which means if anything that average consumer probably aren't the ones preording a server. The zeal of Bas over WHS is also interesting, I assume Bas is fairly decent with computers, since he found his way to Channel 9, somehow. A server is currently a nerd toy.

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Where are you getting those rankings from? Is that just your opinion or from an actual report?

k2t0f12d
The very word 'secrecy' is repugnant in a free and open society

Bas
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k2t0f12d wrote:

I LOL'ed.

Custa1200
Havok13andaThird

FusionGuy wrote:
Umm, 200% markup is no F.U.D. for an Apple product.

Yeah it is. I can constantly prove to you that Apple products come in around the same price or cheaper than similarly specced PC's, unless you're one of those peple that like to build their computer from bits and pieces with no support from anybody and every company pointing their finger at the others components.

Custa1200
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PaoloM wrote:

Rossj wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
Except that this is exactly the market where WHS is aimed to. ...
WHS is targeted to families that want not to lose digital photos or music. It's a "fire and forget" device with zero required maintenance.

But how much do these things cost? Isn't an attached external HDD going to be cheaper for most families?

It depends, of course. The HP MediaSmart goes for $500 or $700 (500Gb, 1Tb) and other OEMs are on similar price points.

An attached external HD doesn't do anything other than expanding the local storage of a machine. Maybe a NAS could come closer, but they're not exactly cheap and they lack things like remote access to your machines and data or password synchronization or unattended automated backup.

Just to give you an idea of what WHS can do out of the box (i.e. it's already configured this way by default): you unpack it and attach the power cord and ethernet. Then you take the connector CD and go to each desktop in your home, install the software and keep all the defaults.

At 3am, WHS will wake up all the machines (in sequence) and start a sector level incremental backup of everything. Then he'll put the machines back to sleep.

I haven't find anything that can do that out of the box for that price...

Why would you want to have the server wake each machine, would it not be best for the client to push the data to the server when I have the power on? The way Time machine works is that if my mini is awake it recognised that and will do a backup to it from my client machine, if I want to wake my mini I just use the wake on lan widget and it is instanly awake. I could leave my mini always awake but why waste power if I am not using it. Heck I could even use Mac power management and wake the mini everynight at a time and it would then be available to my other machines.

What happens with a WHS if the backup is interupted? Will it continue from where it stopped? How easy is it to get the backup or the deleted file back from the WHS? It is one thing to do the backup but how easy is it to then utilise that in worst case scenarios??

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Custa1200 wrote:

Why would you want to have the server wake each machine, would it not be best for the client to push the data to the server when I have the power on?

It's network backup remember; so no, why use bandwidth during the day when the network is in use?

Custa1200 wrote:

What happens with a WHS if the backup is interupted? Will it continue from where it stopped? How easy is it to get the backup or the deleted file back from the WHS? It is one thing to do the backup but how easy is it to then utilise that in worst case scenarios??

In theory yes, it will (although the beta had problems, can't comment on release).

You drag and drop the file from the backup to get it back. Worse case you boot off the included recovery CD which attaches to your network and pulls down a complete image of the machine and rebuilds.

Bas
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Custa1200 wrote:

Why would you want to have the server wake each machine, would it not be best for the client to push the data to the server when I have the power on?

Could be, but when I have the power on, I'm using the machine, and I don't want it to start copying everything when I'm using it.

But, you could turn off the nightly backups and schedule the backups per machine, if you want. As far as I know, at least, I'll have to try tonight. Then you get essentially what you describe.

Custa1200 wrote:
How easy is it to get the backup or the deleted file back from the WHS? It is one thing to do the backup but how easy is it to then utilise that in worst case scenarios??

You either pick the files you want, or you boot from a CD, and select the date to which you want to restore, and it'll restore the entire thing.

Ion Todirel
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Custa1200 wrote:
Yeah it is. I can constantly prove to you that Apple products come in around the same price or cheaper than similarly specced PC's, unless you're one of those peple that like to build their computer from bits and pieces with no support from anybody and every company pointing their finger at the others components.

you must be crazy not to build your on PC from scratch: if you can do that, if you have some little time, if you are not lazzy, and all that stuff

Custa1200
Havok13andaThird

Ion Todirel wrote:
Custa1200 said:
Yeah it is. I can constantly prove to you that Apple products come in around the same price or cheaper than similarly specced PC's, unless you're one of those peple that like to build their computer from bits and pieces with no support from anybody and every company pointing their finger at the others components.
you must be crazy not to build your on PC from scratch: if you can do that, if you have some little time, if you are not lazzy, and all that stuff

Haha, you people who build your own PC's are more fanatical than us Mac OS folk, somehow thinking that you have achieved something by using some grown up lego. Gimme the support of a single vendor i can get my issues sorted with if I have an issue any day of the week. Let me know when you get burnt by some hardware vendors not taking responsibility for their own gear.

Bas
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Custa1200 wrote:
[Haha, you people who build your own PC's are more fanatical than us Mac OS folk, somehow thinking that you have achieved something by using some grown up lego.

Who says that it's about a feeling of achievement?

Custa1200 wrote:
Gimme the support of a single vendor i can get my issues sorted with if I have an issue any day of the week. Let me know when you get burnt by some hardware vendors not taking responsibility for their own gear.

If gear doesn't work, I take it back to the store and it gets swapped.

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Bas wrote:

Custa1200 wrote: [Haha, you people who build your own PC's are more fanatical than us Mac OS folk, somehow thinking that you have achieved something by using some grown up lego.

Who says that it's about a feeling of achievement?

For me it's mainly about freedom of choosing components. Who puts it together doesn't matter to me. Many times now I've bought custom PCs where the store put it together (sometimes free, sometimes for a small fee).

The advantage is that you get store warranty on the assembly, and they usually run tests on it to make sure the combination of components runs stable.

Cyonix
Me

Bas wrote:

Custa1200 wrote: [Haha, you people who build your own PC's are more fanatical than us Mac OS folk, somehow thinking that you have achieved something by using some grown up lego.

Who says that it's about a feeling of achievement?

Exactly, it has nothing to do with a feeling of achievement. By building your own PC you know exactly what is in it and what to expect. The other advantage is that if a component dies i don’t have to send back the whole computer, I can put in a component i have spare or borrow from a friend while i wait for it to get fixed.

Custa1200 wrote:
Gimme the support of a single vendor i can get my issues sorted with if I have an issue any day of the week. Let me know when you get burnt by some hardware vendors not taking responsibility for their own gear

Some shops warranty process sucks, here is an idea - dont use them. I found a shop that is very very good with warranty. They have an online warranty claim tool where you type in the serial number of the item, it finds it and emails you a warranty letter to bring in with the item or post with the item. I have returned many items over the years and never had a problem.