Is there really a Google vrs Microsoft War | The Coffeehouse

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http://search-engines-web.com/

Is this all media hype

A decade ago it was Microsoft at war the Apple, then Microsoft at war with Linux - now its Google vrs Microsoft

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/16/technology/16goog.html

http://mashable.com/2007/12/15/best-technology-quotes-of-2007/

“I think these things [social networks] are going to have some legs, and yet there’s a faddishness, a faddish nature about anything that basically appeals to younger people.”

littleguru
<3 Seattle

I don't know if the Web is going to be the desktop of the future. It's still to faulty. Like what if my DNS server is not working or my ISP has some problems? All of the people using it will be offline and can't do their job.

On the other hand HTML etc. weren't designed to do the desktop application thing. They are now extended and plugins ship around limitations, but still it isn't a fully integrated service.

The web might even gain more and more popularity because most of the services are free. I wonder how much people would really use web apps for everything if they needed to pay the same amount of money as for desktop apps...

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

There is a Google vs Microsoft war and Google is kicking Microsofts butt. Googles stock price is nearly 700 dollars, Microsofts stock price is falling constantly, how much is it worth now? $5.00 maybe $10.00? Google does build better apps and pretty soon Larry and Sergey will be richer than Bill Gates himself. Microsofts day has come and gone and now its time for MS to go. Bill Gates is doing the right thing by retiring this way he only has to hear of his companies failures and not be a part of it. Microsofts dead, its time to bury it and pave the way for the future. The future being Google and Linux. Google just needs to buy Microsoft and get rid of it and be done with it. Channel 9 will then be Channel 'G'

jamie

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Dharma Punk

As with most things, I don't think this is an "either/or" sort of thing. I think web-based apps will do some things better than desktop-based apps and vice versa. Personally, I can't see working on a document in Google Apps; I prefer Word or OpenOffice. Not to mention, some apps just won't translate well. Would Maya or AutoCAD works as well as a web-only app?

I think the best hope is for some sort of fusion. Someone posted here about a connector between OpenOffice and Google Apps so you could work on a document in OO.o and upload/sync it to Google Apps. Same thing with Outlook and Google Calendar/Windows Live Calendar. Of course, there's always Adobe AIR, giving Flash/HTML developers the opportunity to build desktop-based apps.

Just my $0.02/0.0000001 euros

evildictaitor
if( !succeed( try() ) ) { while(true) try(); }

corona_coder wrote:
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Your grasp of economics is quite unique in all the world.

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

Sorry you guys cant handle the ultimate truth. Microsoft is a has been, its no longer innovative, its no longer inventive it's just another SGI, struggling to survive. Vista was the ultimate failure. When we were at the Best Buy when Vista launched we gave away more copies of Ubuntu than Best Buy sold of Windows Vista. gOS has topped PC's sold at Wal-Mart.com, surpassing sales of Vista based PC's. Microsofts the IT version of Titanic, only the band is playing as the ship goes down. In 2010 if not before, goodbye Microsoft. When Channel 'G' debuts when Google buys out Microsoft the first video I want Charles to do is " Why Microsoft failed so miserably" I want a round table. Dont worry, when Redmond becomes the new Googleplex, I will help Charles and team make the transition to Linux. I dont think Microsofts employee's are all bad, I just think they drink too much blue kool-aid.

Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

Charles
Welcome Change

corona_coder wrote:

Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

Promise?
C

staceyw
Before C# there was darkness...

corona_coder wrote:
Sorry you guys cant handle the ultimate truth. Microsoft is a has been, its no longer innovative, its no longer inventive it's just another SGI, struggling to survive. Vista was the ultimate failure. When we were at the Best Buy when Vista launched we gave away more copies of Ubuntu than Best Buy sold of Windows Vista. gOS has topped PC's sold at Wal-Mart.com, surpassing sales of Vista based PC's. Microsofts the IT version of Titanic, only the band is playing as the ship goes down. In 2010 if not before, goodbye Microsoft. When Channel 'G' debuts when Google buys out Microsoft the first video I want Charles to do is " Why Microsoft failed so miserably" I want a round table. Dont worry, when Redmond becomes the new Googleplex, I will help Charles and team make the transition to Linux. I dont think Microsofts employee's are all bad, I just think they drink too much blue kool-aid.

Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

Your are soo right. We all agree 100%. Now that we all agree, you can move on back where ever you came from... Please.

erik_
Tablet Power

corona_coder wrote:
Sorry you guys cant handle the ultimate truth. Microsoft is a has been, its no longer innovative, its no longer inventive it's just another SGI, struggling to survive. Vista was the ultimate failure. When we were at the Best Buy when Vista launched we gave away more copies of Ubuntu than Best Buy sold of Windows Vista. gOS has topped PC's sold at Wal-Mart.com, surpassing sales of Vista based PC's. Microsofts the IT version of Titanic, only the band is playing as the ship goes down. In 2010 if not before, goodbye Microsoft. When Channel 'G' debuts when Google buys out Microsoft the first video I want Charles to do is " Why Microsoft failed so miserably" I want a round table. Dont worry, when Redmond becomes the new Googleplex, I will help Charles and team make the transition to Linux. I dont think Microsofts employee's are all bad, I just think they drink too much blue kool-aid.

Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

When? before the end of 2008? the end of 2009? 2050? 2100? when?

There is no fun to adding tatoo's to dead people.

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

Charles wrote:

corona_coder wrote:
Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

Promise?
C

Also could we get a deadline for this to have happened by?

Just so I can mark it off on the calendar as "laugh at fools" day.

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

2010 Microsoft will be no more. Might be sooner but I call 2010.

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

corona_coder wrote:
2010 Microsoft will be no more. Might be sooner but I call 2010.

So, new years day 2011 we can all expect pics then?

blindlizard
monsterlizard.com

corona_coder wrote:
There is a Google vs Microsoft war and Google is kicking Microsofts butt. Googles stock price is nearly 700 dollars, Microsofts stock price is falling constantly, how much is it worth now? $5.00 maybe $10.00? Google does build better apps and pretty soon Larry and Sergey will be richer than Bill Gates himself. Microsofts day has come and gone and now its time for MS to go. Bill Gates is doing the right thing by retiring this way he only has to hear of his companies failures and not be a part of it. Microsofts dead, its time to bury it and pave the way for the future. The future being Google and Linux. Google just needs to buy Microsoft and get rid of it and be done with it. Channel 9 will then be Channel 'G'

Their stock might be at $700 a share, but there are only 312.84 million shares. Microsoft on the other hand has 9.36 billion out there.
That would put Google' stock worth about 218,400,000,000 and Microsoft's at about 315,000,000,000. $100 Billion difference.

Some things are expensive because the demand exceeds supply. Put supply at an equal value and then you can compare dollars.

You are missing so much, like the fact that Microsoft pays dividens and Google never has. Or, that Microsoft has $5 billion more dollars cash on hand.

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

corona_coder wrote:
Sorry you guys cant handle the ultimate truth. Microsoft is a has been, its no longer innovative, its no longer inventive it's just another SGI, struggling to survive.

its = possesive form.
it's = it is.

Learn it, live it, love it. You'll come across as a much better troll if your grammar isn't so attrocious.

Beer28 wrote:

Vista was the ultimate failure. When we were at the Best Buy when Vista launched we gave away more copies of Ubuntu than Best Buy sold of Windows Vista.

OK, but based on that, MSFT made more money than Ubuntu did. No matter how many free copies you gave away.

I think AOL proved that 'giving it away for free' is not a viable business model.

Beer28 wrote:

gOS has topped PC's sold at Wal-Mart.com, surpassing sales of Vista based PC's.

I would love to see some references for that. Unless, by 'topped' you mean "they put a copy of gOS on top of every machine sold", I think you are full of sh*t.

Beer28 wrote:

Microsofts the IT version of Titanic, only the band is playing as the ship goes down. In 2010 if not before, goodbye Microsoft. When Channel 'G' debuts when Google buys out Microsoft the first video I want Charles to do is " Why Microsoft failed so miserably" I want a round table. Dont worry, when Redmond becomes the new Googleplex, I will help Charles and team make the transition to Linux. I dont think Microsofts employee's are all bad, I just think they drink too much blue kool-aid.

Tell me, do you get turned on when you fantasize like that?

Beer28 wrote:

Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

Ew...

magicalclick

Well, most of the windows funding are contribute to the law suits. You know there are bunch of hypocrites trying to sue Microsoft because it is an easy target. Just look at Vista. There no more cool application bundling because of the law suits. They have all the cool applications available online for free. Hell, if they ever put their associated Paint .Net in Vista, there will be massive class law suit.

So, most of the extra funding are directed to other project like, XB, XBL, .Net, business solutions, developer tools, and so on.

Back to topic. It seems to be a Google vs MS war. I mean that Google desktop is an overlapped application to Vista side bar. And they are doing mobile OS, which will in conflict with Window Mobile. But it is inevitable when Google is trying to expand. It is just a natural part business process.

jason818_253.33
Yippi skippy

corona_coder wrote:
2010 Microsoft will be no more. Might be sooner but I call 2010.

When evaluating the life expectancy of a company like Microsoft it might help to look at other large companies to see how long they last for. Sony founded 1946, IBM founded 1889 and they are still around. Microsoft founded in 1975 has the legs to stay past 2010.

vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel

Massif wrote:

Charles wrote:

corona_coder wrote:
Google will take down Microsoft and drive Microsoft into non existance. If Google doesnt I will tatoo the Windows logo on my chest.

Promise?
C

Also could we get a deadline for this to have happened by?

Just so I can mark it off on the calendar as "laugh at fools" day.

honestly folks, without the Windows OS and ASP.NET how would Google exist?

corona_coder is sat in a car, travelling, hence cannot see the wheels or engine. Even though corona_coder can hear the engine, corona_coder 's ingenuity dictates that the wheels and the engine are now useless, and the sooner you do away with them the better (wheels and engine that is).

corona_coder will keep travelling though, somehow.

corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.

jason818_253.33 wrote:

When evaluating the life expectancy of a company like Microsoft it might help to look at other large companies to see how long they last for. Sony founded 1946, IBM founded 1889 and they are still around. Microsoft founded in 1975 has the legs to stay past 2010.

There are quite a few differences between IBM, Sony and Microsoft.
IBM and sony have other core products that they sell. That are quality products. They support Linux and thats important. Microsoft hasnt shipped a quality product since the first version of NT, if even that. Sony and IBM are still innovative and come up with new ideas, Microsoft doesnt and is stagnate. By 2010 Google will buy out Microsoft, if not I get the tattoo. Charles and the crew better start coming up with Channel 'G' logos.

jason818_253.33
Yippi skippy

corona_coder wrote:

jason818_253.33 wrote:

When evaluating the life expectancy of a company like Microsoft it might help to look at other large companies to see how long they last for. Sony founded 1946, IBM founded 1889 and they are still around. Microsoft founded in 1975 has the legs to stay past 2010.

There are quite a few differences between IBM, Sony and Microsoft.
IBM and sony have other core products that they sell. That are quality products. They support Linux and thats important. Microsoft hasnt shipped a quality product since the first version of NT, if even that. Sony and IBM are still innovative and come up with new ideas, Microsoft doesnt and is stagnate. By 2010 Google will buy out Microsoft, if not I get the tattoo. Charles and the crew better start coming up with Channel 'G' logos.

I’m not here to argue with you. I agree that there are differences between the companies. I think your argument about quality product is biased and unsubstantiated. Something I think key to the growth of a large company is to keep it young for as long as possible but I don’t want to pretend to be the expert on this topic.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

creditcard wrote:
Google uses Windows and ASP.NET?

Yup.

creditcard wrote:
News to me.

Well, that's not surprising, but...

creditcard wrote:
Most of Google's services are served by a huge Linux cluster, regardless.

It depends on how you define "most". Search is, of course, their biggest service (apart from ads) and that's served by their Linux cluster, but there are other services (I'll leave finding which ones as an excercise to the reader) are provided by ASP.NET backends.

Isshou

corona_coder wrote:

jason818_253.33 wrote:

When evaluating the life expectancy of a company like Microsoft it might help to look at other large companies to see how long they last for. Sony founded 1946, IBM founded 1889 and they are still around. Microsoft founded in 1975 has the legs to stay past 2010.

There are quite a few differences between IBM, Sony and Microsoft.
IBM and sony have other core products that they sell. That are quality products. They support Linux and thats important. Microsoft hasnt shipped a quality product since the first version of NT, if even that. Sony and IBM are still innovative and come up with new ideas, Microsoft doesnt and is stagnate. By 2010 Google will buy out Microsoft, if not I get the tattoo. Charles and the crew better start coming up with Channel 'G' logos.

Right, because Microsoft doesn't dable in working with/developing hardware at all (Channel 9 had a video about Cambridge research, MS developing the surface computing, etc.), nor can they stop making OS and switch to developer/designer tools or being a Software ditributer (as in the MS Games), nor can they fall back on their XBox or Zune products to keep moving forward with. No nothing reasonable like that could possibly ever happen, after all it's not like IBM and Sony were in those positions in the past.

Ray6

corona_coder wrote:
There is a Google vs Microsoft war and Google is kicking Microsofts butt. Googles stock price is nearly 700 dollars, Microsofts stock price is falling constantly, how much is it worth now? $5.00 maybe $10.00? Google does build better apps and pretty soon Larry and Sergey will be richer than Bill Gates himself.

.. and then you'll hate them too ... Smiley

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

creditcard wrote:
Their survey section? http://blogs.msdn.com/carloc/archive/2007/07/04/google-uses-net.aspx

That's not Google's. Try again.

Lloyd_Humph
If Blackberrys are addictive cellphones, Channel9 is the ultimate addictive website.

evildictaitor wrote:

PaoloM wrote:
creditcard wrote:Their survey section? http://blogs.msdn.com/carloc/archive/2007/07/04/google-uses-net.aspx

That's not Google's. Try again.

I don't know about you, but I get a Page Not Found for that link.

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