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Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

TO Mike Nash, sp1 team, Ballmer , Gates, Evangelist & CO.

I Wont comprise the position than Microsoft regarding Italian user.
Yesterday Mike Nash it has been announced Vista SP1 RTM to March for English, French, Spanish, German and Japanese.
Since Italian we are still a enough valid country special way regarding Spain and France, possible that we have been puttinges from part?
considering that sp1 it is multilenguage in order which reason you have discarded to us?
I write to name of all Italian mine comunity I assure and you that we are in that we offer support for those which the persons are our acquaintances to all who have adopted Vista (but also xp)
I make you this appeal in order to at least receive SP1 with to France, Spain, England and German its Possible ???
We cannot be puttinges to an equal level to the Teleban

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Dovella wrote:
TO Mike Nash, sp1 team, Ballmer , Gates, Evangelist & CO.

I Wont comprise the position than Microsoft regarding Italian user.
Yesterday Mike Nash it has been announced Vista SP1 RTM to March for English, French, Spanish, German and Japanese.
Since Italian we are still a enough valid country special way regarding Spain and France, possible that we have been puttinges from part?
considering that sp1 it is multilenguage in order which reason you have discarded to us?
I write to name of all Italian mine comunity I assure and you that we are in that we offer support for those which the persons are our acquaintances to all who have adopted Vista (but also xp)
I make you this appeal in order to at least receive SP1 with to France, Spain, England and German its Possible ???
We cannot be puttinges to an equal level to the Teleban

The Taliban? What the hell?

Lets see, French is spoken in multiple countries. Spanish is spoken in multiple countries. German is spoken in multiple countries. English is spoke in multiple countries. Japan's userbase is an awful lot more than Italy's.

I doubt it's about countries, it's about languages and user size.

LaBomba
Summer

This dovella cat is funny. Big Smile

LaBomba
Summer

This dovella cat is funny. Big Smile

Custa1200
Havok13andaThird

What rhymes with tanker... hmmm

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

blowdart wrote:

Dovella wrote: TO Mike Nash, sp1 team, Ballmer , Gates, Evangelist & CO.

I Wont comprise the position than Microsoft regarding Italian user.
Yesterday Mike Nash it has been announced Vista SP1 RTM to March for English, French, Spanish, German and Japanese.
Since Italian we are still a enough valid country special way regarding Spain and France, possible that we have been puttinges from part?
considering that sp1 it is multilenguage in order which reason you have discarded to us?
I write to name of all Italian mine comunity I assure and you that we are in that we offer support for those which the persons are our acquaintances to all who have adopted Vista (but also xp)
I make you this appeal in order to at least receive SP1 with to France, Spain, England and German its Possible ???
We cannot be puttinges to an equal level to the Teleban

The Taliban? What the hell?

Lets see, French is spoken in multiple countries. Spanish is spoken in multiple countries. German is spoken in multiple countries. English is spoke in multiple countries. Japan's userbase is an awful lot more than Italy's.

I doubt it's about countries, it's about languages and user size.

French = Algeria
Spanish = Portogallo?
Germany?????
Japan??

Remember in italy =
Ferrari, Lamborghini,Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Fiat ,Lancia, Pininfarina, Giorgetto Giugiaro Design Ducati ,Aprilia, Armani, Versace, D&G,
you remeber Wii Mote Nintendo?? Well the tecnology giroscopic it ITALIAN ST Microelectronics by Benedetto Vigna,
etc etc etc

ok boys??

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Dovella wrote:
Remember in italy =
Ferrari, Lamborghini,Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Fiat ,Lancia, Pininfarina, Giorgetto Giugiaro Design Ducati ,Aprilia, Armani, Versace, D&G,
you remeber Wii Mote Nintendo?? Well the tecnology giroscopic it ITALIAN ST Microelectronics by Benedetto Vigna,
etc etc etc

ok boys??

What does that have to do with the amount of people that speak Italian?

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

SP1 = MULTILENGUAGE ok?????????????

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

I think they should add Dutch to the first wave release otherwise Neelie Kroes might get angry. Tongue Out

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Dovella wrote:
SP1 = MULTILENGUAGE ok?????????????

Yes. For the English, French, Spanish, German, and Japanese languages. The other ones take longer.

Sven Groot wrote:
I think they should add Dutch to the first wave release otherwise Nelie Kroes might get angry.

Seconded. For no reason other than extreme self-interest.

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

Hmm... Let's see:

taken from this site, a list of widely spoke languages.

Rank,	Countries²	Population³
language	Countries²	(in millions)
1. Chinese, Mandarin	Brunei, Cambodia, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Mongolia, Philippines, Singapore, S. Africa, Taiwan, Thailand	1120
2. English	Australia, Belize, Botswana, Brunei, Cameroon, Canada, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Fiji, The Gambia, Ghana, Guyana, India, Ireland, Israel, Lesotho, Liberia, Malaysia, Micronesia, Namibia, Nauru, New Zealand, Palau, Papua New Guinea, Philippines, Samoa, Seychelles, Sierra Leone, Singapore, Solomon Islands, Somalia, S. Africa, Suriname, Swaziland, Tonga, U.K., U.S., Vanuatu, Zimbabwe, many Caribbean states	480
3. Spanish	Algeria, Andorra, Argentina, Belize, Benin, Bolivia, Chad, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominican Rep., Ecuador, El Salvador, Eq. Guinea, Guatemala, Honduras, Ivory Coast, Madagascar, Mali, Mexico, Morocco, Nicaragua, Niger, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Spain, Togo, Tunisia, United States, Uruguay, Venezuela.	332
4. Arabic	Egypt, Sudan, ALgeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Lybia, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Jordan, Yemen, UAE, Oman, Iraq, Lebanon	235
5. Bengali	Bangladesh, India, Singapore	189
6. Hindi	India, Nepal, Singapore, S. Africa, Uganda	182
7. Russian	Belarus, China, Estonia, Georgia, Israel, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Latvia, Lithuania, Moldova, Mongolia, Russia, Turkmenistan, Ukraine, U.S., Uzbekistan	180
8. Portuguese	Angola, Brazil, Cape Verde, France, Guinea-Bissau, Mozambique, Portugal, São Tomé and Príncipe	170
9. Japanese	Japan, Singapore, Taiwan	125
10. German	Austria, Belgium, Bolivia, Czech Rep., Denmark, Germany, Hungary, Italy, Kazakhstan, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg, Paraguay, Poland, Romania, Slovakia, Switzerland	98
11. Chinese, Wu	China	77.2
12. Javanese	Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore	75.5
13. Korean	China, Japan, N. Korea, S. Korea, Singapore, Thailand	75
14. French	Algeria, Andorra, Belgium, Benin, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Canada, Chad, Comoros, Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Djibouti, France, Gabon, Guinea, Haiti, Ivory Coast, Laos, Luxembourg, Madagascar, Mali, Mauritania, Monaco, Morocco, Niger, Rwanda, Senegal, Seychelles, Switzerland, Togo, Tunisia, Vanuatu, Vietnam	72
15. Turkish	Bulgaria, Cyprus, Greece, Macedonia, Romania, Turkey, Uzbekistan	69
16. Vietnamese	China, Vietnam	67.7
17. Telugu	India, Singapore	66.4
18. Chinese, Yue(Cantonese)	Brunei, China, Costa Rica, Indonesia, Malaysia, Panama, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand, Vietnam	66
19. Marathi	India	64.8
20. Tamil	India, Malaysia, Mauritius, Singapore, S. Africa, Sri Lanka	63.1
21. Italian	Croatia, Eritrea, France, Italy, San Marino, Slovenia, Switzerland	59
22. Urdu	Afghanistan, India, Mauritius, Pakistan, S. Africa, Thailand	58
23. Chinese, Min Nan	Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Philippines, Singapore, Taiwan, Thailand	49
24. Chinese, Jinyu	China	45
25. Gujarati	India, Kenya, Pakistan, Singapore, S. Africa, Tanzania, Uganda, Zambia, Zimbabwe	44
26. Polish	Czech Rep., Germany, Israel, Poland, Romania, Slovakia	44
27. Ukrainian	Poland, Slovakia, Ukraine	41
28. Persian	Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Oman, Qatar, Tajikistan, U A Emirates	37.3
29. Chinese, Xiang	China	36
30. Malayalam	India, Singapore	34
31. Chinese, Hakka	Brunei, China, Indonesia, Malaysia, Panama, Singapore, Suriname, Taiwan, Thailand	34
32. Kannada	India	33.7
33. Oriya	India	31
34. Panjabi, Western	India, Pakistan	30
35. Sunda	Indonesia	27
35. Panjabi, Eastern	India, Kenya, Singapore	26
36. Romanian	Hungary, Israel, Moldova, Romania, Serbia and Montenegro, Ukraine	26
37. Bhojpuri	India, Mauritius, Nepal	25
38. Azerbaijani, South	Afghanistan, Iran, Iraq, Syria, Turkey	24.4
40. Maithili	India, Nepal	24.3
41. Hausa	Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Ghana, Niger, Nigeria, Sudan, Togo	24.2
43. Burmese	Bangladesh, Myanmar	22
44. Serbo-Croatian⁴	Bosnia and Herzegovina, Croatia, Macedonia, Serbia and Montenegro, Slovenia	21
45. Chinese, Gan	China	20.6
46. Awadhi	India, Nepal	20.5
47. Thai	Singapore, Thailand	20
48. Dutch	Belgium, France, Netherlands, Suriname	20
49. Yoruba	Benin, Nigeria	20
50. Sindhi	Afghanistan, India, Pakistan, Singapore	19.7

Hmm... do we see italian anywhere in this list???

No??? (you're down at 21)

Funny that.

Although it does beggar the question why French, and not portugese?

I can understand not doing Chinese / Arabic and the other languages at the top in the first wave. Because they're really frackkin' hard, whereas the romance and germanic languages are roughly similar to english, and so they just picked off the top few languages which weren't going to be a significant challenge and cover the widest chunk of the world.

But why not Portugese? Too similar to spanish to be worth differentiating in the first wave? Or are there not enough Portugese-speaking windows users?

AdrianJMartin

Dovella wrote: Remember in italy =
Ferrari, Lamborghini,Maserati, Alfa Romeo, Fiat ,Lancia, Pininfarina, Giorgetto Giugiaro Design Ducati ,Aprilia, Armani, Versace, D&G,
you remeber Wii Mote Nintendo?? Well the tecnology giroscopic it ITALIAN ST Microelectronics by Benedetto Vigna,
etc etc etc

ok boys??

The Gyroscope in the WII mote is not that great...it can't tell if i swing my golf club like a tennis raquet......

as SP1 in Italian: Ars says it will be April,

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080204-vista-sp1-released-to-manufacturing-will-arrive-in-march.html

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

Yes yes, I stealth-edited myself. So thanks for pointing out I can't read properly Tongue Out

.

Still, it doesn't undermine my point... much.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Massif wrote:
Hmm... Let's see:
Hmm... do we see italian anywhere in this list???

Number 21. Anyway, it doesn't really matter which language is most widely spoken, because I doubt that the majority of China has a copy of Windows. What would be interesting is seeing the sales of localised versions of Windows.

Custa1200
Havok13andaThird

Bas wrote:

Massif wrote:Hmm... Let's see:
Hmm... do we see italian anywhere in this list???

Number 21. Anyway, it doesn't really matter which language is most widely spoken, because I doubt that the majority of China has a copy of Windows. What would be interesting is seeing the sales of localised versions of Windows.

Um are you serious? Anybody and everybody with a computer in China has Windows, they just don't pay for it. [6]

giovanni
...

That is why I keep on saying that software should be available in English everywhere, no matter where you live (better maybe, English should be available at install time as a language choice).

There will always be languages left out or that are released later because of market size and so on.

If we all make a little effort to speak some English, don't we all gain by creating a larger community of people who can exchange ideas? It doesn't mean we have to loose our own colture, it means we can exchange more ideas, opinions, and products (and in this case computer programs) with others.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

giovanni wrote:
That is why I keep on saying that software should be available in English everywhere, no matter where you live (better maybe, English should be available at install time as a language choice).

And as any English man will tell you English is the universal language. You just have to speak louder and slower to anyone foreign.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

we wont SP1 for Vista and STOP!!!!!!

Like France, Spain, Germany and Japan

we re European person
We re Windows User for ever
and we wonts RESPECT

Stop everlast person

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Custa1200 wrote:

Bas wrote:
Number 21. Anyway, it doesn't really matter which language is most widely spoken, because I doubt that the majority of China has a copy of Windows. What would be interesting is seeing the sales of localised versions of Windows.

Um are you serious? Anybody and everybody with a computer in China has Windows, they just don't pay for it.

I've highlighted the essential part. Also, Microsoft is obviously only going to care about legal copies.

Dovella wrote:

we wont SP1 for Vista and STOP!!!!!!

Yeah, let us know how that works out.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

world i dedicao this to you from Italy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rI8UnCX90nw&feature=related

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Dovella wrote:

and we wonts RESPECT

Respect is earned, not demanded via temper tantrums

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

blowdart wrote:

Dovella wrote:
and we wonts RESPECT

Respect is earned, not demanded via temper tantrums

this is not a demanded , we has paid the licences

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Dovella wrote:

blowdart wrote:

Dovella wrote:
and we wonts RESPECT

Respect is earned, not demanded via temper tantrums

this is not a demanded , we has paid the licences

So? where does it say that it's not coming? Internationalisation takes time.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

blowdart wrote:

Dovella wrote:

blowdart wrote:

Dovella wrote:
and we wonts RESPECT

Respect is earned, not demanded via temper tantrums

this is not a demanded , we has paid the licences

So? where does it say that it's not coming? Internationalisation takes time.

NO!!!!
Read PDF http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d69c4e1b-c81a-41be-b1f5-66e615ba5912&DisplayLang=en

SETUP & DEPLOYMENT IMPROVEMENTS

 Enables global organizations to more easily deploy SP1 in a multi-lingual environment, as SP1 includes all 36 language packs. However, this change contributes to the increased size of the standalone package.

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

Dovella wrote:

NO!!!!
Read PDF http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?FamilyID=d69c4e1b-c81a-41be-b1f5-66e615ba5912&DisplayLang=en

SETUP & DEPLOYMENT IMPROVEMENTS

 Enables global organizations to more easily deploy SP1 in a multi-lingual environment, as SP1 includes all 36 language packs. However, this change contributes to the increased size of the standalone package.

Sorry, are you complaining that the stand-alone installation package is large? (The part you reference above is an explanation as to why the standalone install for SP1 is huge, which is that it has to contain all languages by default, as users can have a wide range of languages installed on their systems, regardless of the language version of vista they purchased.)

Or that you don't get SP1 until April?

Or is it that you don't understand the documents you're quoting? [6]