Silverlight on the iPhone | The Coffeehouse

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

CompGuy101 wrote:
My iPhone has never crashed when using the official Apps. When I run apps that I've put on there from Installer.app, it freezes sometimes.

Mine is an 1.1.4, not jaibroken. Considering other people I know that have similar problems, I don't think it's a rare problem.

Bass
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Dovella wrote:
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Il traduttore è rotto. Difficile da capire!

dcuccia

Just saw this referencing this.

Confirms what ScottGu said w/o saying in his MIX keynote "anything with an SDK."

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Windows Mobile on the iPhone!

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Would be cool to have it there - although I'm still living in two countries without iPhone Tongue Out

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

The big question is; will Apple allow it?

Like Ballmer said, will Apple allow a royalty free software on the iPhone?

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Wouldn't Silverlight be a free application, and thus, royalty free?

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Bas wrote:
Wouldn't Silverlight be a free application, and thus, royalty free?

Exactly, a free platform on the iPhone to develop software on.

stevo_
Human after all

I don't see how they could reject it, that would be a big deal considering this is a browser object like flash (which they are to allow)..

Plus, how serious are they about the iPhone as a generic development platform, if they force developers to use only their platform..

But then again, the development platform they supply developers is already a bit 'mean' compared to say.. some of the recent platform targets Microsoft has opened XNA to.

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

There is no flash on the iPhone either, they dont think it's a good enough platform.

What I think; Apple wants to cash in big on their platform. They want huge royalties from anything that is to run on their phone (even their own updates).

We as Microsoft developers are a spoiled. We get the best and broadest development platform in the world thrown into our laps. We take our SDK's and tools for granted. I dont see Apple going down that road, shame really. Neelie come on down!

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Maddus Mattus wrote:

Bas wrote: Wouldn't Silverlight be a free application, and thus, royalty free?

Exactly, a free platform on the iPhone to develop software on.

Oh, right. I had read somewhere that Microsoft would be hesitant to give Apple 30% in royalties, but that didn't make much sense to me, because Silverlight is free, and thus, wouldn't require royalties.

But yeah, somebody else stepping in with a royalty-free platform doesn't sound like something Apple would, understandably, care for.

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Bas wrote:
Oh, right. I had read somewhere that Microsoft would be hesitant to give Apple 30% in royalties, but that didn't make much sense to me, because Silverlight is free, and thus, wouldn't require royalties.

But yeah, somebody else stepping in with a royalty-free platform doesn't sound like something Apple would, understandably, care for.

Let's hope *someone* files a complaint about that with the EU.

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Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

I just realized, reading this thread, that Steve Jobs was bullshitting when he said that Flash was too slow to be on the iPhone.

Oh, no. It's not that if Flash making it on the iPhone w/out some form of DRM protection, that anyone can point their browser to an AIR-based RIA, and then bypass Steve's cool new iPhone apps that can be BOUGHT on the iTunes.

.Net assemblies, on the other hand, are great. Because they can be digitally signed. Currently, there isn't a "RequiredPublicKey" property in Silverlight where Silverlight would only execute certain assemblies signed by certain fruity company.

Perhaps, MS licensing ActiveSynch to Apple is a downpayment promise that DRM will soon come to Silverlight? Perhaps a percentage of that 30% of apps sold on the iPhones would go to MS if MS can lock down Silverlight?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Minh wrote:
I just realized, reading this thread, that Steve Jobs was bullshitting when he said that Flash was too slow to be on the iPhone.

Oh, no. It's not that if Flash making it on the iPhone w/out some form of DRM protection, that anyone can point their browser to an AIR-based RIA, and then bypass Steve's cool new iPhone apps that can be BOUGHT on the iTunes.

.Net assemblies, on the other hand, are great. Because they can be digitally signed. Currently, there isn't a "RequiredPublicKey" property in Silverlight where Silverlight would only execute certain assemblies signed by certain fruity company.

Perhaps, MS licensing ActiveSynch to Apple is a downpayment promise that DRM will soon come to Silverlight? Perhaps a percentage of that 30% of apps sold on the iPhones would go to MS if MS can lock down Silverlight?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

As long as it applies to Apple users, I dont care! Wink

DRM is failing world wide, Apple would make a HUGE mistake if they start demanding it now.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Maddus Mattus wrote:

As long as it applies to Apple users, I dont care!

DRM is failing world wide, Apple would make a HUGE mistake if they start demanding it now.

I don't know about that.

That's how consoles like Wii, Xbox, PS3 works. You don't get on those platforms w/out those companies' say-sos.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Minh wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Put the crack pipe down and step away from the PC.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

blowdart wrote:

Minh wrote:

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm....

Put the crack pipe down and step away from the PC.

I'm going to laugh at you so HAAAAAARD when MS announces they're only "providing the tools that our partners asked for."

Rossj

I still haven't seen a convincing reason why anyone would need Silverlight on the iPhone - how many Silverlight apps are we up to now? 8? 9?

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Rossj wrote:
I still haven't seen a convincing reason why anyone would need Silverlight on the iPhone - how many Silverlight apps are we up to now? 8? 9?

Nobody really need. Users want. Steve Jobs defintely don't want if they can't be bought through iTunes.

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

I am in the process of writing one, but I lack the design skills. It takes me about 4 days to make a rectangle with one rounded corner.

Is it just me, or is it the tool?

Wait,... it's the tool ofcourse!

Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

Rossj wrote:
I still haven't seen a convincing reason why anyone would need Silverlight on the iPhone - how many Silverlight apps are we up to now? 8? 9?

Give them time. It's "chicken and egg" time anyway; if MS can push out silverlight platform eggs onto as many platforms as possible, then there's more likelihood that the silverlight application chickens will hatch.

The sound you hear is a metaphor stretching to breaking point, please ignore it, it will go away, eventually.

Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Minh wrote:
I don't know about that.

That's how consoles like Wii, Xbox, PS3 works. You don't get on those platforms w/out those companies' say-sos.

Good point!

But if you look at Microsoft, I think they do a lot more then just provide an SDK and an iTunes entry.

Rossj

Moonlight might make it first - http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2008/Mar-10.html

stevo_
Human after all

Rossj wrote:
I still haven't seen a convincing reason why anyone would need Silverlight on the iPhone - how many Silverlight apps are we up to now? 8? 9?

Yes lets not give the option of choice [and therefore power] of silverlight to people because Rossj wouldn't use it..

If adding silverlight support to the iPhone would cause major problems for something else, then theres a reason to exclude it.. otherwise its like legacy support; dump it when it starts to adversely effect new goals.. dumping for the sake of 'cleanliness' is just limiting to the platform.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Well, looks like Silverlight on the iPhone won't be possible...

And neither will Java, Ruby, Python, Perl, Firefox, Opera, any other third-party webbrowser that supports javascript/add-ons, Word and Excel, ScummVM, or Quake.

The reason? Applications themselves are not allowed to run interpreted code, through plugins, frameworks, API's, or otherwise. Yikes. That sort of limits perspectives.