Fed up with Vista SP1 | The Coffeehouse

It starts with the Welcome screen, something steals the focus away from the password prompt, forcing me to click in the edit box with the mouse as the tab key has no effect. Minor but extremely annoying.

Next, my network card acts funny after the computer slept. I get many timeout errors when browsing and checking mail. I can see the LED go off for a few seconds on my switch as if the cable was unplugged or the NIC was reset. I have to disable/enable it to restore normal operations (until the next sleep).

Last, something broke in either USB or P&P or both. The system tells me that my PCTV330e tuner "could perform faster" like the USB port was a USB1 device (it is not), MediaCenter sometimes (only sometimes) does not see the TV tuner, I've also heard the distinctive "device uplugged" sound without unplugging anything.

The system worked just fine with Vista Ultimate since late 2006. The above problems appeared immediately after installing SP1 and completely disappeared when I uninstalled the service pack minutes ago.

Anyone had a similar experience?

PaoloM

Nope, SP1 has been the most uneventful and painless upgrade on all my machines.

It sounds like your problem could be caused by motherboard drivers (SP1 is a lot more strict about bad drivers), have you checked if the manufacturer has updated drivers on their site?

rdaJay

axelriet wrote:

It starts with the Welcome screen, something steals the focus away from the password prompt, forcing me to click in the edit box with the mouse as the tab key has no effect. Minor but extremely annoying.

Next, my network card acts funny after the computer slept. I get many timeout errors when browsing and checking mail. I can see the LED go off for a few seconds on my switch if the cable was unplugged or the NIC was reset. I have to disable/enable it to restore normal operations (until the next sleep).

Last, something broke in either USB or P&P or both. The system tells me that my PCTV330e tuner "could perform faster" like the USB port was a USB1 device (it is not), MediaCenter sometimes (only sometimes) does not see the TV tuner, I've also heard the distinctive "device uplugged" sound without unplugging anything.

The system worked just fine with Vista Ultimate since late 2006. The above problems appeared immediately after installing SP1 and completely disappeared when I uninstalled the service pack minutes ago.

Anyone had a similar experience?

Regarding the TV tuners, I've had an issue since I bought my new computer - it sees both digital cable receivers in terms of USB, but the Media Center won't use both of them at the same time. Diagnostics in media center looks fine for both of them. When both go to record a different show at the same time, the show with the lowest priority loses.

Anyone have THAT experience?

intelman

I'm fed up with Vista hating...

Isshou

stevo_ wrote:

Why build software properly when you can take shortcuts and do it in 3/4 of the time..
This isn't to say Microsoft is pure in all of this of course, just to say not blame for every single issue you have while using vista.. on vista

And people are now finding out why you shouldn't take undocumented shortcut g instead of doing things properly... when undocumented shortcut g suddenly no longer exists or has been locked down for security. Yet it will still get blamed on the people who've removed undocumented shortcut g in the name of developing towards a better product.

stevo_

You just somewhat expect that people on this of all forums wouldn't be so uneducated to blame the OS..

Basic computer users blame the computer when something doesn't go how they expected..

The next level is the user that blames the intermediate application..

This forum I really expect people to understand software and hardware to realize where blame lies..

Brings me onto a point earlier where webbo posted some dodgy benches of Vista - do you REALLY think that Vista would be released if it was but 1/10th the speed of XP?

It isn't Vista's fault that some software runs like arse, or not at all.. in fact I'd say you could well follow the crumbs of blame all the way back to 3rd party developers wanting to save money..

Why build software properly when you can take shortcuts and do it in 3/4 of the time..

This isn't to say Microsoft is pure in all of this of course, just to say not to blame vista for every single issue you have while using it..

Edit: (made english more good Wink )

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop

axelriet wrote:

Anyone had a similar experience?

nobody. on the bright side, your system still boots Perplexed

SlackmasterK

axelriet wrote:

It starts with the Welcome screen, something steals the focus away from the password prompt, forcing me to click in the edit box with the mouse as the tab key has no effect. Minor but extremely annoying.

I'll tell you what bugs me. Occasionally, Windows somehow misses the KeyUp or equivalent event for CTRL, ALT, and WinKey. Generally when i notice this happen, I hit that key and it figures it out...

... But I once had a password with a 'u' in it. My WinKey would get "stuck on", and every time I hit the 'u' at the login screen, the Utility Manager (or whatever these people call it these days) popped up and the keystroke did not go through. Hitting the WinKey is disabled at the logon screen, so I had to engage CapsLock and hold SHIFT to force it back into lowercase... Then disengage CapsLock and I could finish the password.

It was very annoying. I've even authored three list-style blog posts about things that bug me in Vista... And yet somehow I still can't force myself to go back to XP.

<rant>
There should be a way to disable Accessibility / Utility manager / etc. Completely. Sometimes I'm playing a game and I HAVE to press LShift five times in rapid succession; I hate it when this BS pops up and causes me to get fragged. yeah, it's important for blind/deaf/508C people who can't just look at the screen or read... But for people like me, it's annoying as all hell.
</rant>

brian.shapiro

paolo,

Anyone who had all of the language packs installed and tried to install the 4 language version of SP1 had to remove each language on at a time, waiting through a long process and restart for each one.

I started doing this instead of getting the full language version because I decided that I wanted to remove some of the languages anyway. I gave up half way through and later installed the full language version.

Somewhere in the middle of doing restore points and uninstalling languages, something became corrupt, and I had to use a Vista restore cd to start up windows.

When SP1 installed, I started having problems with Silverlight , with my sidebar gadgtes, and the system tray.

I currently have a thread going in the Silverlight forum and someone there's trying to help me figure out what happend.

ElucidWeb

brian.shapiro wrote:

paolo,

Anyone who had all of the language packs installed and tried to install the 4 language version of SP1 had to remove each language on at a time, waiting through a long process and restart for each one.

I started doing this instead of getting the full language version because I decided that I wanted to remove some of the languages anyway. I gave up half way through and later installed the full language version.

Somewhere in the middle of doing restore points and uninstalling languages, something became corrupt, and I had to use a Vista restore cd to start up windows.

When SP1 installed, I started having problems with Silverlight , with my sidebar gadgtes, and the system tray.

I currently have a thread going in the Silverlight forum and someone there's trying to help me figure out what happend.

My internet is substantially slower after SP1, I verified it wasn't hardware by booting into Ubuntu and doing a speedcheck, for some reason Vista is the same throughput wise, but when it comes to page loading times in the same browser, Firefox Vista incurs about a 2-4 second additional overhead. This strikes me as quit odd, and I really don't want to use Ubuntu...I don't hate linux, I just think its a shiny turd!

phreaks

axelriet

>My internet is substantially slower after SP1

This is exactly what I experienced. Try disabling/enabling the NIC, it worked for me but I had to do so every time the computer woke up.

BTW, I stopped fiddling with "mobo's" about 15 years ago. The sytems is a Dell Precision Workstation with latest BIOS/firmware and ran Vista like a charm since the minute it was released in RTM form in 2006.

SP1 broke my system and uninstalling SP1 restored normal operations, I find it kind of lame to blame the hardware.

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop

did you try uninstalling the network adapter from the device manager and installing the latest driver?

lumbule

SlackmasterK wrote:

I'll tell you what bugs me. Occasionally, Windows somehow misses the KeyUp or equivalent event for CTRL, ALT, and WinKey. Generally when i notice this happen, I hit that key and it figures it out...

... But I once had a password with a 'u' in it. My WinKey would get "stuck on", and every time I hit the 'u' at the login screen, the Utility Manager (or whatever these people call it these days) popped up and the keystroke did not go through. Hitting the WinKey is disabled at the logon screen, so I had to engage CapsLock and hold SHIFT to force it back into lowercase... Then disengage CapsLock and I could finish the password.

It was very annoying. I've even authored three list-style blog posts about things that bug me in Vista... And yet somehow I still can't force myself to go back to XP.

I had the same thing happen to me. I would have to go through the exact same process when remoting to our test environement servers which were running Server 2003. It was very annoying and to my knowledge they never figured out a way to fix it.

wisemx

PaoloM wrote:

Nope, SP1 has been the most uneventful and painless upgrade on all my machines.

Same here. Big Smile

Vista SP1 is running VS2008 and SQL Server 2005 better than they did for me on XP Pro on this very same machine.

As I've stated before this machine now sleeps better too.

tribalcactus

ElucidWeb wrote:

My internet is substantially slower after SP1, I verified it wasn't hardware by booting into Ubuntu and doing a speedcheck, for some reason Vista is the same throughput wise, but when it comes to page loading times in the same browser, Firefox Vista incurs about a 2-4 second additional overhead. This strikes me as quit odd, and I really don't want to use Ubuntu...I don't hate linux, I just think its a shiny turd!

Try turning off ipV6, and also turn off any TCP checksumming on your NIC.

For Ipv6, turn it of on the properties of your NIC and in the registry.
http://www.lut.ac.uk/computing/vista/ipv6.html

For the other stuff, go to the properties of your NIC, and then click on the Configure button. Set any Checksumming features to disabled. Then, from an elevated cmd prompt, run the following.

netsh interface tcp set global autotuning=disabled
netsh interface tcp set global chimney=disabled
netsh interface tcp set global rss=disabled

See if that improves things for you.

SlackmasterK

I was so frustrated that Vista had limited my network transfers to <10MBps where i was used to ~30-32MBps... So I called them.

The solution was to reinstall my File and Printer Sharing on each network adapter, on each computer. Worked and now I'm back to XP speeds!

SlackmasterK

/undo *dupe

axelriet

>did you try uninstalling the network adapter from the device manager and installing the latest driver?

Yep, got the latest PRO/1000MT drivers straight from the Intel site. Did not really fix the issue. Lots of timeouts, unworkable. Nothing in the event log. Just cycling through disable/enable cures the problem but I had to do it every single time. It works totally reliably again now that I removed SP1, so does my PnP USB devices.

codan

After installing SP1 I've had pretty much the same issues with the networking. Every time I reboot, I have to repair the nic to get it to start working correctly. The nic I have is an Intel Pro/1000 MT using the newest Vista drivers from the Intel site. I also have issues where Vista does not correctly detect when the laptop is booted with lcd open, the screen is blank and I must close and then open the panel to get it so display the login. As well as issues with USB storage devices that seems to only happen on my laptop. Other than that Vista has been great.

blowdart

axelriet wrote:

>did you try uninstalling the network adapter from the device manager and installing the latest driver?

Yep, got the latest PRO/1000MT drivers straight from the Intel site. Did not really fix the issue. Lots of timeouts, unworkable. Nothing in the event log. Just cycling through disable/enable cures the problem but I had to do it every single time. It works totally reliably again now that I removed SP1, so does my PnP USB devices.

Intel's wireless drivers have been very sucky under windows too. I wouldn't be surprised if it's an Intel problem, and not a Vista one.

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop

blowdart wrote:

Intel's wireless drivers have been very sucky under windows too. I wouldn't be surprised if it's an Intel problem, and not a Vista one.

the intel pro/1000 is a gigabit ethernet card

blowdart

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop wrote:

blowdart wrote:
Intel's wireless drivers have been very sucky under windows too. I wouldn't be surprised if it's an Intel problem, and not a Vista one.

the intel pro/1000 is a gigabit ethernet card

Yes, and intel still has to write the drivers. If one nic has crappy drivers it's not a bad assumption that others may have as well