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jsrfc58

Beer28 wrote:

It's a job. It's the same anywhere working for anybody. If you invest personal feelings into a piece of software, you're going to be the one that's worse off, because it's just that, a piece of software.

This is barring jobs that work on life critical software and systems where the people have to be over the top or people's lives are at risk.

PS-None of this applies to linux and OSS though, because that's not about software, it's about ideology and freedom.

I always liked the Java applet examples that Sun gives out with the JDK where it lists that this software is to be used "as is" and not for "aircraft" or "nuclear" industries in the comments. Maybe that applies to Java as a whole (?). Must just be a job for them, too. Considering how widespread Windows is, and Office for that matter, I can think of a lot of industries where the phrase "people's lives are at risk" could actually apply, especially in the handling of database data, medical records, etc. So it is a matter of perspective.

geekling
I am an artist

Beer28 wrote:
Or did you mean that C and C++ coders are using .NET with C# and VB instead of C and or C++ or java?

I don't know many of those that don't work for microsoft and appear in C9 videos. Maybe Sven.

What I meant was, "What is your opinion on people who choose, say, Boo (sorry, its my bad habit of the month) or any .NET language, over Java, or Ruby, or C++, not because their job requires it, but because they just like it better?" Do you have some kind of animosity towards them?

(oops, I think its been answered already by someone else).

jonathanh
My mod color is red

jsrfc58 wrote:
So does that mean someone gets an honorary "I broke the build" shirt now?

Thankfully we've got a continuous build process running 24/7 - it does a full build after every checkin, and sends out a BUILD BREAK message if anything failed. Then the guilty party (i.e., me) gets a chance to fix their mistakes before the formal "daily build" that kicks off at 5am or so.

If I'd broken the daily build I'd really be in trouble, but since I fixed things in time I think I can get away with just picking up some bagels for the dev team on my drive to work this morning. And probably enduring their good-natured ribbing for the rest of the day Smiley

Yggdrasil
Pour me a cab, 'cause I can't drink no more.

Beer28 wrote:
Just because I don't want to use C#, doesn't mean I don't want everybody else to use it too.

But that IS true for Windows - you dislike Windows for reasons that aren't even technical/professional (so you've claimed before), and you want to get other people to stop using it - usually using technical arguments, which seems a bit hypocritical to me. Why don't you just live and let live?

TomasDeml
Run Chiro, Run!

Beer28 wrote:
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I know it is OT, but may I ask what the hell does the "undefined" mean? Smiley

I can see your "undefined" everywhere I look...

Rossj

TomasDeml wrote:
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I know it is OT, but may I ask what the hell does the "undefined" mean?
I can see your "undefined" everywhere I look...

It means you are a Firefox user and tried to post. Sometimes it appears if you post when you are in HTML mode and sometimes if you edit your post too many times.

Dan

I add my .02 about some of his comments on my blog. While the article is subjective and many things are his opinion, the overall tone reads harsh and angry.

I'm not sure what triggered Richard response or his new attitude on adamantly being against .NET. Here's a quote from him web site: "Richard will no longer be available to do any more work on .NET. He will not write any more .NET articles, no more .NET books and will no longer speak at .NET conferences."

amotif
No Silver Bullet

Dan wrote:
I'm not sure what triggered Richard response or his new attitude on adamantly being against .NET. Here's a quote from him web site: "Richard will no longer be available to do any more work on .NET. He will not write any more .NET articles, no more .NET books and will no longer speak at .NET conferences."

Sounds like someone peed on his Wheaties. Big time, I mean, not some little "whoops, sorry!" incident...

Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.

Beer28 wrote:
It's a job. It's the same anywhere working for anybody. If you invest personal feelings into a piece of software, you're going to be the one that's worse off, because it's just that, a piece of software.

Man, I would never hire you with an attitude like that. Nor would I want to work with you.

"Just a job"? Maybe, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't take pride in your work, and be passionate about it.

This is true in every industry, not just software. I'm not in the software industry, and have no intention of ever being in the software industry.

Beer28 wrote:
PS-None of this applies to linux and OSS though, because that's not about software, it's about ideology and freedom.

Really? Why don't you have the same attitude to "normal" software development?

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

Yes, and lets be fair. I like coding for a living and in fact, for the last year, I've been doing a bunch of it at home, for fun and so I can eventually quit my job and move to the bahamas, but:

   It is just a job. It is just a piece of software.

I don't want to sound like a personal ad, but I do have a life:

   I like mountain biking.
   I like freshwater fishkeeping.
   I like long walks on the beach.

Passion about a job is a good thing and staying passionately focused on the job you are doing is a good way to write great software, but don't assume that someone is somehow a lesser developer if they don't hold that passion.

Families, friends, beer (drinking), etc. can all be ways to regroup, come back, and write better code.

You cannot work 60+ hours a week forever (unless you want forever to be terminated by a heart attack at 40).

Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.

There's a difference between being obsessed by your work, and not caring about it.