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sgarrette

Beer28 You managed to shut the mouth of a loser Windows user. Good job my friend. I guess they are too used to the Microsofty way which brings in Viruses, trojans and spyware. Congratulations my friend but they will still say Linux is too hard. It takes awhikle to break someone of the old proprietary way of thinking.

sgarrette

I dont believe these guys who say they use Windows solely. Too costly and the one who says he manages 1200 Windows machines is full of it, no one can manage that many Windows machines and if they do their time is sadly spent removing viruses and spyware.

I use FC3, and Debian GNU Linux and I never had any viruses, Im immune. I like Debian as a server platform because I can throw it in the closet and forget about it and it runs continuously. I have one Windows machine i use for TurboTAX. I have been sending them letters and making requests for a Linux version. Lets hope they do so soon.

manickernel
anticipate consequences..

Beer, you kinda made my point. That's a whole lotta JDK's. And editing .bashrc each time is a pain.

Beer28

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Segarrette, you are truly clueless. Managing 1200 machines on Windows with the right tools gets easier every day.

manickernel
anticipate consequences..

Hey, I don't have a clue what I clicked on to get your avatar down in my
post.!!

manickernel
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rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure

Tell ya what Beer,

You keep Linux and I will keep Windows. Deal?

Bogusrabin

Beer28 wrote:
I love linux. Free and open and simple and awesome.

And it gives possibility to build up your own system.
For example I can still run Linux (2.6.*) on my P-75 (80M). It works
great with FVWM. Couple of servers etc.
Or I can build very different looking system system with Enlightenment
(Video), Looking Glass, etc.

I can do what ever I want.
That's something that Windows doesn't offer.

AndyC

Beer28 wrote:
why can't i put that bash script in a file and give it to marge to double click?

Are you going to be there for every Marge in every accounting department?

The real question is: if you can do it so easily, why can't the default installer?

Rossj

AndyC wrote:
The real question is: if you can do it so easily, why can't the default installer?

That is a fair question, thing is the desktop guys *know* they have to work on this, hence sterilised versions of Debian like Ubuntu (which is not a panacea but is moving in the right direction).

rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure

Beer28 wrote:
rjdohnert wrote:Tell ya what Beer,

You keep Linux and I will keep Windows. Deal?

Sounds fine to me. I thought you were all up in that Solaris. I decided against installing it finally when you told me it doesn't run looking glass better.

I love linux. Free and open and simple and awesome.

I still use Solaris, and I think Solaris ius fine. Im just not all religous and political about it. I dont see the world as "Linux or bust" and I dont consider myself a soldier in the "war on Windows" as most of your Linux colleagues do. I use the OS that makes sense and right now, for desktop purposes Windows makes sense.

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

I haven't used Solaris in a long time... I used to use it quite regularly, since Beast, the faculty's Solaris server was by far the most powerful machine on the premises, so even if you had to share it with a few dozen others (dumb clients) it was still nice and fast.

The real reason I liked the Sun terminals were the 21" flat panels. Unfortunately those got stolen (along with pretty much every other computer in the CS building... and that happened more than once too), so now they've got the same 17" CRTs as every other PC. Add to that the fact that none of our sysadmins has bothered to update Solaris for the past 6 years or so, and there's not much point in using it anymore.

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Sven Groot wrote:
Add to that the fact that none of our sysadmins has bothered to update Solaris for the past 6 years or so

Okay, I was wrong, it's 4 years.

Which doesn't change the fact that that G++ version (2.95.3) has some pretty major <sstream> bugs making the whole stringstream functionality useless, which means that it can't compile half my C++ apps (cause I love stringstream).

Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.

Jizg wrote:
Hi, Im doing a survey. Tell me which one you use and why. Ill stop bumping should you do so.

Windows XP for desktop development, Windows 2003 for web server development and Windows Mobile 2003 for PDA development.

Used to run Mandrake and got jaded with the whole Linux thing as I just could do what I wanted to do and I just couldn't get decent drivers for my kit and I just didn't want to roll up my sleeves and start writing this stuff. That was a while back but I'm not inspired right now to go have another look.

Tom Malone

manickernel wrote:
Gee as long as we are on this.

How do I add the java plugin to FireFox/Mozilla on Linux? It just installs no problem with IE on measly Windows.

I need this to run work applications at my job.

Do I have to edit something in my .profile thingy????

Oh, yeah. HERE are the instructions. Let me just send those over to Marge in Accounting.

EDIT: To answer the question. XP, FC3 and FreeBSD. We have several IBM AIX boxes and I find it easier to drop into Linux to manage/SSH to those.

Edit2: and ever since going to kernel 2.6 and gcc-3.4.2 my Cisco Vpn client would not install. Finally found the fix here:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/history/270805

But how would you do this on 100 remote users?

(Nevermind they have to go to the command line now to connect)

Linux is a million miles away from being a desktop environment, and getting further away. But I do love it.

One of the best ways of getting java to work, on machines is to create jpackage java rpms. These are included if run rhel, but if not go to http://www.jpackage.org The system is designed to allow easy running of multiple vms etc. This should become the standard of linux rpm based machines, as suse mandrake, redhat etc will now all use it.

For your other problems with installing patchs on linux machines, have you tried using yum or up2date. You create repostiry on a file server, then place patchs into it. Then if a cron job is set up to run either up2date or yum update say at midnight. It will update in the background with only tested patches. RHN goes a lot further, but thats the concept.

So with the package you had problems with, package it up into a rpm, with each new kernel produced. Then at midnight its all good.

Tom

krishnakumarhere
Ace

Windows. !!!! Definitely... coz.. i've been using it for the past 10 years.. right from Windows 3.1 on an x386 with a b/w monitor, till Longhorn Beta now.... Windows was/is/willbe the best... and i'm a great fan of Windows.. I'm proud to be a microsoft guy.... I'm doing my project internship with Verizon Data Services India, and my project is to develop an RSS reader using VC++... and.. while i was testing my application with MSDN feeds, i got into Channel 9, where i registered and.. here we go.. my first post ever... Smiley

its good to be with u guys... bye... Krishna Kumar

Rossj

On the subject of Linux, here is an article just for Sabot on the number of paid developers for Linux Smiley

Cider
Daze-d & Confused

I use Windows XP Pro mostly, at home and at work. Also use Linux (for our Pre-Installation Environment) on machines as well as a bit of Mac OS X. Haven't got into OS X yet, really, but that might just be me refusing to get with the new and harking back to the oldie days of OS 9, the debug window and typing "G FINDER", ridiculous Appletalk zones et al!

I did have a laugh-out-loud moment in this thread when Beer's Moron Twin, sgarrette said "No man can administer 1200 Windows machines at once!". If someone said to me that their job was to administer 1200 Windows machines, I'd ask "ok, that's half an hour of your week, what do you do with the other 37 and a half hours?"

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

I can't tell which side you are on, Rossj, but (from the article in the article):

Adam Jollans is IBM's Worldwide Linux Software Marketing Strategy Manager, and begged to differ. 'Right now, our Linux technology centre is about 800 strong - developers paid by IBM working directly on open source projects,' he said.

Reasonable Count = 800

He said this had doubled in the course of a couple of years and that overall there were 8,000 to 9,000 IBM employees working on the company's Linux strategy.

More Reasonable Count = 8000

Bill Weinberg, Open Source Architecture Specialist and Evangelist at Open Source Development Labs (OSDL) said, 'To cite a some very visible examples, there are 95,982 registered projects on SourceForge.net and over 1,000,000 registered users. OSDL member companies alone employ over 2000 Linux developers.

Realistic Count = 8000+2000 = 10000

Baloney Estimate = 1000000

'The total number is, of course, difficult to estimate with any precision, but even pessimistic assessments place the number of FOSS developers worldwide in the millions.' . . .

Even more WildA$$ Speculation = 1000000 times X where X > 1

The strong presence of open source developers on the payroll of commercial companies, does not undermine the integrity of the open source movement. Both Jollans and Weinberg agree that it doesn't matter who develops open source code, or what the motivation, contributions are only accepted into projects such as the Linux kernel based on the quality of the code.
Says Weinberg: 'It is a meritocracy. It follows the precepts of the Scientific Method. For the Linux kernel, there is an organised hierarchy in place that helps spread out the workload. A group of about 50 key developers oversee the final contribution of code to the kernel.'

More Realistic Count = 50

Rossj

ScanIAm wrote:
I can't tell which side you are on, Rossj,

Actually I am not on a side. If I am partisan it is probably more towards OSX but I don't care if anyone else uses it or not.

Both have their faults but why must everything about Linux and Windows be an 'either or' proposition? I'm not having a go at you just the whole negativity thing in general.

Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.

Rossj wrote:
On the subject of Linux, here is an article just for Sabot on the number of paid developers for Linux

Thanks Rossj !

This is indeed a very enlightening article. I'm going to have to take more of a butchers this weekend and find out what more is going on.

So is IBM paradoxical? On the one had they are sell software for loads of cash to companies such as the one I work for (currently we pay them approx £12 million a year!) on the other hand they are evidentially doing allot of significant work for nothing! I can guess at the incentive, but it would only be a guess, so perhaps not worth printing here. I will speak to our IBM account manager ... tbc

Shaded
Mean ugly geek with axe

Jizg wrote:
Hi, Im doing a survey. Tell me which one you use and why. Ill stop bumping should you do so.

"What about Dos? Dos is lightning fast, it does everything Windoze can do. Microsoft just wants to control everything, so now that they are done with DOS they are making things up to sell. I don't have a hard time finding drivers for MY impact printer for EACH application I use.

Why waste all that memory with graphics? It will just makes my computer crash more. How hard is it to quit a program and switch to another one?

GUIs are just a fad, they will go away. How could anyone spend so much on a computer just to make it run slow?

Anyone that can't figure out a command line to copy files shouldn't be using a computer anyway. You know they will just screw things up."

You can replicate this conversation to every major new release of Microsoft's operating systems. I've learned this: Everyone complains when they come out, they pretend the world is going to end, and if you have good hardware there usually isn't even a bump in the road when upgrading.