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Lambros — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:58:13 GMT

Visual Studio 2008 SP1 is out to.
They also released a new beta sdk kit for SL2.

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

vesuvius — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:26:22 GMT

Scoop!

Without Visual Studio 2008 Support?

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Mark Wisecarver — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:08:19 GMT

Microsoft Releases SQL Server 2008http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2008/aug08/08-06SQLServer2008PR.mspx?rss_fdn=Press%20Releases

Re: Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

figuerres — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:29:39 GMT

Yeah I just can't figure them letting Beta 2 go public as-is.

I really hope they have a final release and are just getting done with a roll-out.

MSFT has done friday releases of stuff several times.... so it could be.

Re: Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

JonathonW — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:49:22 GMT

They'll be promoting SL2 regardless... NBC's not going to switch their online video to flash this late in the game (no pun intended). I'd think proliferating prerelease software across millions of machines wouldn't exactly be a great move publicity-wise (because, although I haven't had any problems with it, it surely still has some pretty big bad bugs in it that have been fixed in the last few months, and lots of people hitting them would be terrible from a publicity standpoint).

Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Bas — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:45:06 GMT

Yeah, that's what worries me. I haven't even seen an RTM announcement, and there's supposed to be a final release in the next two days?

My worry, however, isn't so much that they're going to end up with beta software everywhere, but that they're just going to miss the Olympics as a great opportunity to promote SL2.

Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

JonathonW — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:35:14 GMT

They NEED a final release before 8/8: The NBC Olympics site uses Silverlight 2 right now (they're distributing Beta 2). If they don't release, they're going to end up with beta software on a very large number of machines, and that would be bad.

Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

gadget — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:27:53 GMT

SQL 2008 is no longer on the Server list at MSDN Subscriber downloads. I am pretty sure it was there before.

Maybe they are getting ready to release.

Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

vesuvius — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:24:57 GMT

More importantly, will the Olympic tech people think they ought to have gone with Adobe Flash? If one is completely honest, the flash player is better than the Silverlight 1.0 at present. Not to say the Silverlight 1.0 won't improve. These aren't the mutterings of Microsoft fanbois, but those of an active developer community, that can see that maybe things have not gone to plan.

Is it Silverlight, SQL Server 2008 or Visual Studio .NET 3.5 SP1 (gosh - that is a mouthful) that's causing the delay? It is the ninth month between Visual Studio 2008 and SQL Server 2008 non-release? Why not just release Silverlight 2.0 as that does not depend on any other platform and will have its own framework?

Maybe they are all late, but that I'm afraid is the price you pay, for putting out quality software.

Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Bas — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:09:04 GMT

Realistically, an out-of-the-blue final release within two days doesn't really seem all that likely, huh? Does this mean that the Olympics are a missed opportunity?

Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

JChung2006 — Wed, 06 Aug 2008 07:38:09 GMT

Was that Beta 1 or Beta 2 that you tried a while back, BitFlipper?

Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

BitFlipper — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:21:08 GMT

Have not looked at this recently, but what is the current situation with side-by-side SL 1 and SL 2 installations? A while back I installed SL 2 beta and since then I could never play any SL 1 content. It first wanted me to uninstall SL 2. Really odd since MS did a good job on .Net side-by-side versions, but, at least from my experience, SL side-by-side versions was a no-go.

Ideally the latest SL release should be fully backwards compatible with previous versions (similar to DirectX ).

The reason I ask is because this caused situations where one site wanted me to install SL 1 while another would not work unless I install SL 2. Then when I did uninstall the other version, the one I wanted to install at the time refused to install at all. Just weird stuff like that. I just wonder how many of the "millions and millions" of users that are going to want to watch the Olympics are going to run into similar issues because they might have an incompatible version of SL already installed.

Re: Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

intelman — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:11:27 GMT

How about the Olympic NBC Media thing in 64bit Vista....where is that?

http://windowsvistablog.com/blogs/windowsexperience/archive/2008/07/31/watch-nbc-s-coverage-of-the-beijing-olympics-in-windows-media-center.aspx

Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Mike Sampson — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:01:19 GMT

Yeah, no adaptive streaming is lame. Thankfully our CDN has globally distributed servers so it's not as bad as it could be.

Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

figuerres — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:41:02 GMT

and I'd love to see stats on downloads as the games progress, Mac, Linux and WIndows downloads of Silverlight and of Moonlight
just to see how it goes.

Re: Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

figuerres — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:39:12 GMT

well really I think one of the things they may be working on right now is making sure that the Moonlight kit for mac and Linux and the Windows Kit for Silverlight are all ready and working so that they look good for all 3 platforms.

at least I hope that's the final thing *IF* the windows 2.0 code is stable and ready to roll.

it's been what 2 months with Beta 2 and no updates, no public RC or B3 and no public info ....
I HOPE they have it ready and are just working like nuts to get it right for the big date.

Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

vesuvius — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 13:28:47 GMT

Silverlight 1 does not have Adaptive Streaming. ScottGu's blog says

Now think what this means for end users. This is why the Channel 9 Silverlight Player (and all the rest) are underpants. This is an absolutely necessary feature, and the Olympics would be fertile ground for getting millions of Silverlight 2.0 downloads.

We shall wait and see.

Re: Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Maddus Mattus — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:58:20 GMT

Maybe they are having trouble implementing the anti smog video filter in SL 2.0?

Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Bass — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:42:29 GMT

It looks like NBC is using Silverlight already. But not 2.0. It's optional though, and just for the videos.

Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

figuerres — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:30:34 GMT

NBC olympics coverage with Silverlight 2.0 ... been an the books for months now.

and the games start friday. that's why.

http://blogs.msdn.com/somasegar/archive/2008/01/07/2008-olympics-brought-to-you-by-silverlight.aspx

http://www.silverlightexamples.net/post/Silverlight-To-Light-Up-Olympics-2008.aspx

http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/player.html?assetid=f050ea93-ea04-426c-8e50-a94fa23fbbc2&channelcode=sportat

Re: Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

figuerres — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:22:12 GMT

actually I heard that his wife had a baby recently. that may be why the Gu has not spoken, at least in part.

Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Bas — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:21:49 GMT

Wait, when was this friday announced as a date for a new release?

Re: 8/8/8 is coming... what about Silverlight 2.0 RTM / RTW

Mark Wisecarver — Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:12:53 GMT

Notice we haven't heard a word from ScottGu for more than a month now? :D
I'll bet it's crazy.