I'm a Mac, I'm a PC

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

......But as is the case with Apple's deceptive "Switcher" ad campaign, going from Mac OS X to Windows doesn't have to be a one-way street. Indeed, my suspicion is that very few people have actually transitioned completely from Windows to the Mac (dovella confirm). I think most of them are using both environments, instead, and picking the one that makes most sense for what they're doing at the time. And as it turns out, moving to Windows from Mac doesn't have to be total and irreversible. Using the aforementioned solutions, Mac users can move back and forth between the OS X and Windows environment. It's the best of both worlds....

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Link by Paul T.

Bas
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my suspicion is that very few people have actually transitioned completely from Windows to the Mac (dovella confirm).

With what research are you confirming that statement? Or are you confirming that Paul Thurrot suspects it?

evildictaitor
if( !succeed( try() ) ) { while(true) try(); }

In reply to Bas

#Aug 31st, 2008 @ 2:47 PM

It's a thought experiment. Aristotle used them to determine that if you drop a heavy thing it will land faster than if you drop a light-weight thing. It's obvious isn't it? You don't need data to prove an fact, do you?

brian.shapiro
things go on as always

I saw a Mojave experiment ad on TV Land, I thought that was just supposed to be a web thing

jamie

In reply to brian.shapiro

#Aug 31st, 2008 @ 3:36 PM

i saw at least 2 new apple ads - (on tv - not web) - that show how you bring your old computer to apple store - and they will copy your old files for you - to the new mac

* they dont show if they still OPEN however Wink

Ray7

I work with four Mac owners, and they all started off running MacOSX with VMWare Fusion. After a few weeks, they're running XP and spend hardly any time in MacOSX at all.

Could this be the norm for switchers I wonder?

Mmmm .... Thurrot is going to bring the whole Mac church down on his head with that article; a cunning plan that they will no doubt fall for.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

In reply to Bas

#Aug 31st, 2008 @ 2:47 PM

I confirm what I see with my own eyes,
Over 90% of mac user, use parallels Bootcamp VMware etc. for Windows ,

None of Windows users, OSX needs to have a complete experience of our computers (Have you ever tried OSX for network printing? white page white page )

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 2:28 AM

Your eyes? You're the same person who said the iPhone didn't have an on-screen keyboard for texting, so excuse us if we don't believe what you say you see.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 2:28 AM

Over 90% of mac user, use parallels Bootcamp VMware etc. for Windows

So you've seen the way all Mac users on the planet use their machines, with your own eyes? That's amazing!

Ray7

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 2:28 AM

I think OSX has the easiest print setup I've ever seen. That Bonjour stuff works like a charm, especially across a network.

What problems did you have?

stevo_
Human after all

In reply to Ray7

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 3:25 AM

You've gotta be kidding.. networking macs is a nightmare. Not that windows is much better but at least sometimes windows decides to work perfectly.

Plus, I think a lot of recent mac buys are probably dual boots.. I've ever heard a lot of people buying macs just to run windows on them, just because the new imac looked a better than the average dell crap.

Ray7

stevo_ said:

You've gotta be kidding.. networking macs is a nightmare. Not that windows is much better but at least sometimes windows decides to work perfectly.

Well, can't say I've ever had a problem with it myself. Happily talking to my Windows machine and home server.

stevo_ said:

Plus, I think a lot of recent mac buys are probably dual boots.. I've ever heard a lot of people buying macs just to run windows on them, just because the new imac looked a better than the average dell crap.

Well like Dovellla and myself, you're guessing. I would like to see some real figures. I suspect that there are quite a lot of people who are running Windows on their Macs, but I'd like to know how many.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

In reply to Ray7

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 3:25 AM

er not.

See here , and use google translator or other
print with Mac networking becomes only a matter of luck, (

in my spare time I watch the forums Mac section assistance)

The luck of APple and that the apple user are not accustomed to complain.

In Windows, Print network is invisible future

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 4:26 AM

So you're looking at a support forum where people only post problems and thus extrapolating that everyone must have problems?

Wow. Italian education must really suck,

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

In reply to blowdart

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 4:36 AM

I like the concept of invisible future, though.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to Bas

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 4:44 AM

Well he's demonstrating invisible intellect anyway

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

In reply to Bas

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 4:44 AM

See this site

This confirms that my indictment is not an exception!!

Edit

For Blowdart

what is the relevance between education Italian and my hobby?

your education is that?

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 4:52 AM

How does a site offering a printer drive prove that Mac printing sucks, or that the majority of Mac users still use Windows?

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

In reply to Bas

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 5:04 AM

I have only highlighted a reality of the facts.
I could write a book, 1000 reason not to buy a MAC , ( in Italian)

are more than 2 years that follow and annoto the most important issues in forums of mac user.
And use those same post against Mac user fanatics especially when they FUD against Vista.

for the rest left to lose me and my habits, and follow the main reason for the thread if it is of interest to you.

edit.

the thing that makes me laugh a lot in forums of Mac fanatic user is to read ..

I USE WINDOWS ONLY FOR WORK!!

my immediate response is ..

why since we can play with OSX?

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 5:15 AM

How is someone offering a printer driver for sale a fact that printing on the mac sucks? What definition of fact is this you're using?

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 5:15 AM

The "main reason" of the thread is the contention that a large majority of Mac users still use Windows. That's an interesting concept to discuss, but that discussion is pointless if the contention isn't true.
I have no way of knowing if that is true, but apparently you and Paul Thurrot do, because you're both saying that it is so. So I'd like you to tell me what you're basing your confirmation on. I'd ask Paul Thurrot, but he doesn't post here.

poebassman

In reply to Ray7

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 3:25 AM

I totally agree... Mac printing is simple. You have a choice of Bonjour (real simple network printing), TCP/IP, Windows base, or appletalk. I manage a computer facility where we are 95% Windows. To setup a printer on a windows xp system in a corporate environment, put the printer on the server, browse the network for the server and install the printer. Windows will download the driver to the XP box. To setup a printer on a Mac, browse the network with Bonjour... printer not there? Browse the network with Windows Based, select printer driver... done.

NOW the difficulty comes to play if you don't have the driver. The same applies to XP if not in a corporate environment, you have to download or use the CD to install the driver. If the printer was created by a company that doesn't support Apple, you will have a difficult time. Same applies for a printer company that doesn't support windows OS like VISTA. Have you tried to printers on Vista? You can install it if you find the driver BUT... it goes away. Browsing the network servers ... The printer isn't there... or the server isn't there.... then a few hours later.. it's there.

Printers have always been an issue for either OS when the manufacturer of the printer doesn't follow standards. If the standards are followed...there's no issue with Mac or Windows.

Ray7

In reply to Dovella

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 4:26 AM

So what you're saying is that you don't actually have a problem ... you just read about it somewhere.

Kolin1

Dovella, You do realise you act worse than most of the osx/linux/<insert non MS os name here> fanboys that your always having a go at?

At home i have an imac as my main desktop (It prints fine BTW)
XP and Vista on two different laptops,
And linux on my file server.

They all have strengths and weaknesses for different things.

Cant you just stop dribbling crap here about OS's/Products you haven't used and companies you have had no dealings with and accept that people will use what THEY like and what THEY think is best suited to the job at hand?

poebassman

In reply to stevo_

#Sep 1st, 2008 @ 3:46 AM

Mac OSX 10.5 is easy to network. Install OS... Open Finder...browse Computers...find share... ...Click Connect AS button...log into share and open files.

For XP, install OS... Put the My Network Places icon on the desktop(Right Click on desktop, select Properties, click the Desktop Tab, click on the Customize desktop button, put a check in My Network Places and click OK)... Double Click on My Network Places...click on Entire Network...click on Microsoft Windows Network...Click on any workgroup...browse computers in workgroup...find share and log on... ok... type the computer name/username... ok.. it puts my computername as default so I have to erase my computername and put the remote computername/username ... ok.. I type the password correct... its <computername/username> <password>... dang... once more <computername/username> ...come on... again...<computername/username> <password>.... forget this... run network setup wizard on my computer and the remote computer... log into share and open files.

For Vista....where the @#$%# is the properties for the desktop? Right Click on the desktop and select Personalize and look for Desktop tab... Not there?.... Or wait Change Desktop Icons sounds good... click that link...Ah... desktop Icon Setttings window.. this looks familar. I guess put a check mark next to Network since my network places can't be found. Click OK. Click on Network icon ... where the @#$%$# are my XP boxes? What's this heading Network and Sharing Center... ok.. let's try that. Ok... I see a private network but it's not my workgroup. I'll click Customize next to it and change it to my workgroup. Change it to my workgroup and click Next.. .then close. Hmmm what are these settings.. Discovery etc? Well let me try without changing settings. Dang... no XP boxes in Network browsing. Ok.. back to Network and Sharing Center. Enable Discovery... check Network...YEA...found the XP boxes. Same difficulty in logging in shares as above... ok need to use network setup wizard in the control panel. Open control panel...Hmmm it points me back to Network and Sharing Center. Ok... try to find network setup... click on View computers and devices.. .oops that the Network Icon...click on Connect to a Network...oops.. that's VPN or Dialup... Click on Setup a connection or network oops... that's setting up dialup or VPN...click on Manage Network Connections..Come on.. that's Network Connections from XP... Diagnose and Repair? Identifying the problem pops up and finds NOTHING. Ok.. On XP... I can get to the Change Name to set workgroup from the System control panel... so let's go there. Ah...No tabs but a few familar links like device manager and remote settings. Can't be system protection so let's select Advance System Settings. BINGO a Computer name tab... Now we are getting somewhere. Click CHANGE button and set my workgroup. Click ok and REBOOT. Click on Network and browse the shares on my XP Boxes...whew!!! that wasn't intuitive at all.

so... between the three OSes... Apple OSX is far easier to browse and log into shares (even from windows OSes) from the VERY FIRST boot.