Posted By: Andre Da Costa | Sep 20th, 2008 @ 5:36 PM
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Dovella
Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!
Windows Live to replace Mail, Photo Gallery, and Movie Maker in Windows 7 by Kip Kniskern

Windows Live is set to take a much more prominent role with Windows 7, as Microsoft made it official today that Mail, Photo Gallery, and Movie Maker are being removed from the operating system, to be replaced by the free Windows Live services.

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This might be worth a try

http://coderage-software.com/zooom/

Not perfect, but it works for most apps I've come across.

I know. I have waiting for them to consolidate Windows App and Windows Live App for a long time now. Finally they make it official. No more confusion on multiple software offerings.

Though, I really don't know how they are going to advertise Win7 when some of features are gone. And since Windows Live App avaliable on XP and Vista, Win7 and future OS has to use something else as marketing eye candy. Once Windows Live App moved to .Net era, those applications will be avaliable on all Windows without porting and extra testing. Not sure what's MS vision on future of Windows.
The ribbon makes sense in apps that have a lot of menu functions that are far too unruly for traditional menu-bars. Office is a great example of this; it has a tonne of features that most people had no idea how to use or had no idea even existed because the UI was failing its users. Apps like WordPad certainly don't need a ribbon UI since their menusbars are really simple and easilly contain all the menu functions neccesary.

I think part of the reasoning may have to do with discoverability. Does the average person know what File, Edit, View, Image, Colors or File, Edit, View, Insert, Format means? People are easily frustrated if they have to go hunting for what they want. In a scenario like WordPad, or Paint, the ribbon might not be used in it's normal capacity of simplifying complex UI, however it serves to put everything out where the users can see it. No guesswork, no scanning through menu's.

Dovella
Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!
Thinnext removed Windows 7 Photo and video from you tube

i'm Happy!


Koogle
Koogle
I'm a Terminator - Astalavista, Vis7a!

Yeah I'm Happy about it too Big Smile . . I was beginning to get deeply saddened (when on that page Smiley ) looking at that poor sight for innovation that is to be Win7 yes?Sad

seriously what can I say it was looking..."tragic" ..ok maybe that's harsh.. but it wasn't looking good.

I couldn't careless about Paint/Calculator/WMP (gaah and to think I once thought that had potention)/Wordpad/Start menu, and all that ribbonized nonsense(not that I don't dislike the ribbon completly) but most of that stuff is fluff, the thought of MS going that extra mile to make something overal better is just rare. When they actually get a feature right (although rare in itself due to the lack of customizing/options they must really hate giving users choice, how can they ever get anything right without some other outside developer having to pick up where they left off?), its usually only a small part of application while its still surrounded by crap that still wasn't done right.. of course what would it matter if you didn't know or expect anything anybetter. 

And most techies will install something better to use instead or buy other software/ or free addons that can do better to replace most of what Windows teams can't seem to grasp when they make sh/t lame noob improvements to what seems like every area of Windows and its extra software.. if only there was an Ultimate version of Windows to replace Windows with Smiley... maybe a real Ultimate team of more talented guys to come in and cleanup this noobware, replace/redo and scrap the crap or at least go the extra step to make what they develop better and more useful and perhaps have more direct feedback with enthusiasts. I think a lot of people would pay extra for something that was above and beyond the crap they've tried to pass off in vista and what looks to be Win7, if only it was actually "Genuinely" better.

And the one area of importance to me is the explorer and the overal core windows UI design and layout, and thats all still probably gonna be like pffff, the transfer windows/prompts/ the open/save dialogs, I'm guessing most likely will all work and look like noob rubbish ... just can't see them improving much if the vista development timeline was what we got from XP. oh and the task manager(who was morron! who thought ctrl+shift+esc was good key combo for the task manager!? I suppose its not a bad location if you don't mind slamming your entire fist down on that side of the keyboard! I mean you're bound to get all 3 keys easily that way.. and yes I know its been around for a While but removing the direct use ctrl+alt+del to the task manager -idiots) 

Btw are MS employees given mice with mousewheels? cus unless the window has a scrollbar attached to it the usefulness of a mousewheel seems to be pretty errr useless, unless in small cases of holding down extra keys! to change explorer views or icon sizes.. wow :/ ... but they certainly don't make much use of it..  say in the alt-tab area perhaps!? any decently developed tabbed ui makes use of the mousewheel if they can even grasp the usefulness of adding a tabbed UI at all!, so why is it that the taskbar still doesn't allow the mousewheel to invoke the alt-tab or the live bar whatever process when the mouse is over the taskbar? let alone any other area where a sort of mouseover event can allow for the mousewheel to do useful intuitive stuffs! 

Why is that something so easy as allowing the mousewheel to add an alternative to replace keypresses in flicking through opened applications? obviously anything intuitive to improve workflow goes out he friggin window or most likely never even entered that train of thought at MS land, intuitive workflow = null, well designed and possibly informative windows/dialogs= nah not much. oh newly opened explorer views that still default to opening at a paltry 800x600!! and no options to change the defaultyness!! of it in sight let alone being able to manage windows sizes/positions without having to use other addons that don't seem to have access to such existing saved folder info.. shame on you MS, in the day and age of higher resolutions and multimonitor setups shame on you.

btw do you know what I did find good about those screenshots... noticing that the pathetic cyan line was removed from all right/bottom sides of those fat ugly Aer-eeergh UI borders.. but hey that was just tiny thing hindering the ugly vista GUI.. it still overal all looks -well you know what I would say.

oh why did that thinknext guy include like a half dozen screenshots of that junky noob IE8 browser? don't we already know what that looks and works like it? should't we be seeing IE8.5 the slighty better but not much better browser & engine Sad

I like ctrl-shift-esc; you can hit it with just 1 hand, and without having to take my hand off the mouse.
Koogle
Koogle
I'm a Terminator - Astalavista, Vis7a!

its the most awkard 1 handed key combo to make!  from a rested palm position on the keyboard there is no comfortable way to make that keycombo without moving you hand/palm! .. so it doens't matter if you can do it, thats not the issue I can do it, but its easier r than the older method...even the satisfaction of hitting those keys!  The repetition on needing to access the task manager doesn't warrant removing older  access methods its just stupid/retarded. Not to mention ctrl+alt+del is tied to the conception of many thousands of users wonderful windows experiences Tongue Out

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...
In NT, ctrl-alt-del has always opened the security dialog, not task manager. The only exception is XP, and even then only when it's not joined to a domain.
Koogle
Koogle
I'm a Terminator - Astalavista, Vis7a!

well lets just say they got it right in XP then shall we.

Dovella
Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!
STOP!

Tim SneathFrom article
What You’ll Hear at PDC2008

Windows 7
PDC has always been a “Windows” conference. At the first PDC I went to, ten years ago, the conference was almost exclusively dedicated to Windows NT 5.0 (which of course became Windows 2000). Almost every session focused on some aspect of the Win32 API. Of course, times have changed – the PDC is a much larger conference these days, and indeed the Microsoft developer platform has expanded hugely beyond Windows, a few server products and some scattered tools to encompass a portfolio of technologies so large that no individual can fully get to grips with all of it.

But the soul of PDC is still Windows, and this year more than most, Windows is a dominant theme. We’ll unveil Windows 7 to the world for the first time this year, and there are some exclusive surprises for conference attendees that mean you’ll be frustrated to miss out on being at the PDC in person. Although we’ve not yet unleashed the full set of tens of Windows 7 breakouts on the session planning tool, you can be sure that this will be a very significant part of the overall event.

We’ve revealed very little about Windows 7 so far. At Walt Mossberg’s D conference, we showed off multi-touch and there were a few other hints, but otherwise all you have to go on is rumors and mostly faked Photoshop renderings of what folk think Windows will look like. I’ve been running Windows 7 on my developer workstation in the office for some time now, and I think folk are going to like what they see. Among other things, we’ll be running compatibility labs at the PDC so you can bring your application and test it on Windows 7 builds. Don’t you want to make sure you’re ahead of the curve and, indeed, take advantage of some major new innovations? Make sure you’re at the PDC.


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Yggdrasil
Yggdrasil
Pour me a cab, 'cause I can't drink no more.
Seriously, people - you see a bunch of screenshots of Windows 7 and conclude that the entire Microsoft workforce is behind these screenshots, and nothing else? It seems half the responses on this thread are along the lines of "this is what they've been working on since Vista?!", building heaps of speculation on unsubstantiated screenshots.

What we have is a set of suggested pre-alpha screenshots. Rather than the debate the relative merits or drawbacks of what we see, we seem to be busy making assumptions and speculations. I especially like how you can divine from a static screenshot the behavior of the scrollwheel. I also like the automatic assumption that whenever someone disagrees with me - or APPEARS to disagree with me, based on temporary screenshots reported on 3rd party sites - they are apparently mindless morons who cannot be trusted with a set of house keys, much less an operating system.

Has this turned into a rant? It sure has. I'm tired of reading commentary that sounds like playground namecalling.
Koogle
Koogle
I'm a Terminator - Astalavista, Vis7a!

" I especially like how you can divine from a static screenshot the behavior of the scrollwheel."

yeah well this is MS i've come to expect very little thats good from them! making little predictions like that is just to easy. Maybe they'll do something about it!.. or maybe they have already...course I wouldn't know.... so until i do find out, I'll say what ever I want about stuffs hmmkay.  And this is MS I'm sick of useless poorly developed noob features and software if I want to speculate on a bunch of screenshots that may or may not be alpha win7 etc the hell I will then! 

btw they have the power to make and break things and so when they make changes they should be accountable to take the flak from those who they piss off!... its not like they provide easy ways for users to really personalize and customize things to there satisfaction without waiting and looking around for outside developers with the time to improve things that should have just been done right the first time.

littleguru
littleguru
<3 Seattle
No. XP did it wrong... it should be the secure dialog that comes up. Because that allows me to sign off the computer even if something really weird happened. Now since the Task Manager is just an application someone could close it. The secure dialog makes sure that doesn't happen.
Koogle
Koogle
I'm a Terminator - Astalavista, Vis7a!
oh blah blah littleguru..  Some people actually prefere the quicker direct access to the taskmanager without having to go through extra steps to get there! When security meets retardedness seems to be whats its all about these days.
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