Posted By: esoteric | Jan 5th @ 10:56 AM
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Not to sound like a Windows zealot (accused of it hundreds of times already, well apparently for many things I like, heh), but take a look at this screenshot




I don't know what it tells you, but it tells me this
  • The fonts do not look as smooth as ClearType
  • The windows look quite nice
  • The windows lack basic windows symbols, the most basic of all is the X / close symbol
  • The folders look nice but are boringly 2D, no 3D perspective
  • The context menu is horribly opaque and out of touch with the Plasma theme
  • The context menu symbols are somewhat okay, if also a bit indifferent
  • The taskbar text fade effect is somewat nice
  • The Plasma windows are nice but so thin that they become brittle in appearance
  • The power of most screenshots are in the background images; these images conceil the horrible UX design that went into the theme itself
I don't know what these UX designers are thinking but so far I still haven't found what I've been looking for... Outside of...

This may all be customized into a state of decency, but the out-of-the-box experience is suboptimal.

Thoughts?
DCMonkey
DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!
  • There is a close window (x) button on that dialog
  • The "folders" are actually dekstop plasmoid containers (or whatever). I question the wisdom of effectively having two different kinds of folder windows (plasmoid and real window).  
  • The rounded corners look fine on the dialog and larger context menu, but they look bad IMHO on that little 3 item menu. They're much more obvious at that size and make that menu look inconsistent with its larger parent.
  • The large tray icons in concert with the relative taskbar size make them look more cluttered that the Windows equivalent. Same with the large clock.
  • The uneven sizing of the OK/Cancel buttons in the dialog looks bad.
W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters
Isn't this a little unfair, it's not like Vista and even Windows 7 don't have any UI/UX issues. You're really nitpicking here.
Tarak
Tarak
Er. Tarak
Hey man ..!!

Have U checked Out KDE available for Windows too..

http://windows.kde.org/


Enjoy..!!!

With best regards...
Imagine if a CHILD tried to use this!   How will they know how to close things!

And those transparent clean Windows -  will that not confuse them??

I think they need way way more text everywhere.   Beauty is NOT for children or new users!

They might get hurt!!
Harlequin
Harlequin
http://twitter.c​om/TrueHarlequin
But in another thread you removed a bunch of text from the Move File dialog in Vista. Text which is there for usability purposes. And it wasn't redundant text either, it was "mini instructions" on what will happen when the user clicks something, which is important for newer users.
Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.
Just pathetic.
i was only refering to this part as being cool



clean transparent windows - with no bars and crap and useless info.  Im assuming if you mouse over it - it would show the close icons (if not it should)

but then... i like 1 pixel or 0 pixel window borders ... invisible breadcrumb,  to each his own
brian.shapiro
brian.shapiro
things go on as always
A few points...

1.

There's a reason why most operating systems that have windows with rounded corners still have context menus with square corners. When a context menu is brought up, it's almost always in relation to a location on the screen where a user clicks. The rectangular corners both make it stand out in contrast to the windows on the screen and can create a reference to the clicked location by having the corner relate to it. A menu is also essentially a list, and the rectangular corners emphasize that the menu is a floating list.

If a context menu with rounded corners pops up, you have less of a feeling that its relating to anything you did, and there's less emphasis that its there for the user to select from a list of choices in response to his click.

The designers probably said one day "hey, rounded corners are sexy", and decided to use them.

2.

I've hated the practice of putting icons in every button and every menu item since the days of the Lotus office suite. It makes the interface look childish and toyish. If the user is only given two buttons, "OK" and "Cancel", colorful icons don't help him make his choice, and in fact it confuses him, since it makes the message box look a lot more cluttered.

In Windows, only select commands on menus are given icons, and even though some consistency *s complain about it, it works and makes Windows look more elegant than it would otherwise.  Microsoft is also removing icons from command bars in Windows 7 to bring focus on the content of the window. I agree with the rationale in that case, but I disagree with their decision. I'd rather Microsoft did something else, like make the icons monochromatic.

The designers in this case probably said one day "hey, icons are cool", and decided to use them.

3.

Plasma containers are like widgets/gadgets, and a folder is just one type of widget you can have. That's a perfectly good feature, I wish Windows had that. The main problem I think is there is that they look mistakable for a type of window.

It would work better if they completely removed the container's border, and only made it show when the users mouse was over it. Or make the border lighter. Or, alternatively, if they just made the containers darker. Right now it also seems that the plasma container that's currently selected has a lighter color and the one that's not selected has a darker color. Get rid of the difference. If these are static containers fixed to the desktop, you don't want them having the ability to be active or inactive like windows.  Microsoft's solution of a set of hovering controls makes more sense as a visual cue.

But, hey its 'cool' how it is.

4.

One thing that was also good idea to consider is that in the context menu all of the actions have been moved to a submenu. This is probably a solution to a problem we see in windows, where the context menus are overwhelmed with commands.

But it also makes the actions a little harder to find for novice users, and it also misses the big problem. Actions like Play/Edit/Print associated with that type of document should be readily available to users. It's all that extra junk like 'Convert to PDF' and 'Add to ZIP Archive' (and 'Add to Live Mesh Folder...' and OneCare's 'Scan for viruses...' Smiley ) which third party programs add that need to be hidden away to a submenu based on the user's preferences.

A bad solution for a real problem, imo.
Jamie: clean transparent windows - with no bars and crap and useless info.  Im assuming if you mouse over it - it would show the close icons (if not it should)

Window can be closed, resized and rotated (+ preferences button appears also). You can also change text color/size/shadow, icon size, filter files, etc.

You can create your own theme with using vector graphics (SVG).
Get a tablet PC or high-res touchscreen. See how usable 0 or 1 pixel borders are then.  It's no good looking pretty if people can't actually use it.
Bass
Bass
Channel 9, best used in moderation
If you put Plasma into edit mode or but your mouse over a Plasmid, a "chestnut" appears that allows you resize (and do a lot of other stuff) to the Plasmid.

In KDE everything on the desktop (including the wallpaper and taskbars) is Plasmids, so it affords a great deal of customization. You can even create your own Plasmids pretty easily, and I'm pretty sure Google widgets are native Plasmids.

I mostly use Gnome though. Smiley
Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Let's make up some facts about how the transparant windows were developed!

DCMonkey
DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!
As was mentioned by me and others, those aren't windows. They're desktop gadgets

This is what a windows looks like in KDE 4.0

Titlebars wih controls. Menu bar. Toolbar. Lots of wasted space to the right of both. Breadcrumb bar. No Up Button! Ridiculously large icons on the Places list. Like most KDE apps, it looks like something you'd generate from the KDE equivalent of the Visual Studio MFC app wizard. At least Dolphin has considerably toned down the festoonery of the Konquerer file manager mode.

Also:

How would you know which window is active if they weren't overlapping?

That "Start Menu" is hideously ugly IMHO. I don't know how well it works functionally (I hear not too well for many), but it looks like an application that has forgot to draw its border and titlebar.
Well as you wrote that screenshot is from KDE 4.0. There's tons of UI improvements on KDE 4.2. "Start menu" is changeable.


<ot> this is just SO MUCH safer!  and EASIER!   I love to read!  Especially when im trying to choose a URL - plus look at all the new options!  Tongue Out
littleguru
littleguru
<3 Seattle
Jesus... KDE4 is really not looking that good. I have heard from a lot of sides that KDE isn't worth it anymore. Sounds very understandable from that screenshot.
DCMonkey
DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!
Funny thing is, since they're actuallly meant to be relatively static areas on the desktop, the light borders are actually rather heavy in that case. As Brian pointed out, they probably shouldn't be visible at all.

Personally, I think they'd make more sense as customizable toolbars full of shortcuts to folders and apps and stuff. No titlebars and borders/background customizable from light to non-existent. Leave the actual folder locations to the file manager.
Bass
Bass
Channel 9, best used in moderation
Yeah and I read on some sites that ever since Windows Vista, Windows is not worth it anymore.

Really if you want to base your criticism on something base it on something that isn't basically over a year old and basically a just foundational release that is already outdated. People who thought KDE 4.0 sucked, also think KDE 4.2 is the best thing since sliced bread.
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