Posted By: peterwillcn | Mar 26th @ 6:51 PM
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I think Microsoft owns the world's most excellent technical and creative talent and money. . Why not put the world's most valuable software technology wealth, to contribute to mankind. . To the open-source software deserves the same respect for the people go. . I prefer to use eclipse plug-ins to develop C + + / C # ... want to Eclipse.org / Apache share the same technical feast, so that everyone can be happy at encoding. . .
dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com
Open Source has its place, and each of us is different with our own prefs. Respect is earned not fundamentally deserved. When you earn it then you deserve it.

That said. Why do you think that M$ isn't "contributing" to the good of mankind. I mean have you ever heard Mr. Gates speak? Do you understand the magnitude of the impact that they have already had on humanity? medicine? finance? global ecomonics? This isn't even considering the future.

If Microsoft doesn't produce any (thats zerro) innovation ever again, it will be difficult to repeat that contribution. It's on the level of the contributions of Tom.

I suggest that its a fundamental impossibility for them not to continue innovation. I have to say based on a real simple idea that innovation is imminent.

Respectfully,

James
Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Errr,... Dude,...

Open source is not for the good of mankind,...

It's a way to develop code under a certain license.

So how is open source going to save the world?

Wow.  Something's wrong in ths comment.  You are obviously defending Microsoft here, yet you used the M$ pejorative.  WTF?
dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com

I didn't know that using "M$" was always a negative thing...  sorry. Is that the general case?  I certainly didn't intend any negative connotation. -James

dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com

Actually, it is my opinion that by and large the responsibilty for projects like eclipse to support languages and frameworks lie with the respective communities invested there. I think Microsoft would be diluting current investments in Visual Studio to develop support for obviously (at least from others perspective) competing IDE's.

imho, you should consider using Visual Studio, it really is superior to exclipse and definately more stable.

-James

dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com

I am enjoying my coffee and quiety wondering why in a capitalist society, people percieve another's success as a reflection of thier own failure when in fact they would enjoy being in that other persons position?

(That is, they are generally speaking trying to succeed themselves.)

Also I guess I should say that "M$" to me is attractive and speaks to success, not domination. And I didn't really see it in a negative light until now. Thanks for making me think.

-James

W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters
Open source is "for the good of mankind" since the code has been made available for anyone (i.e. mankind) to benefit from (for non-capitalist interpretations of "benefit") without needing to do anything up-front.

Open source software won't save the world directly, it's a means to an end. Why should non-profit organisations need to spend the money on commercial software licenses (e.g. Windows and Office) when they can use Linux and OOo, and customize the software as they need as time goes on.
Bass
Bass
www.s​preadfirefox.c​om/5years/
I think Microsoft is actually funding the C# support in Eclipse.
dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com
Out of curiosity, where did you get that idea? What is your source?

Thanks,

-James
blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo
I'd disagree. For example, if anything the limitations of the entity framework has caused alternatives such as nHibernate, and to a lesser extent Subsonic to be examined by more developers. MSTest drove adoption of NUnit and XUnit simply because it's nowhere near as flexible.

And I doubt the existence of the MS source servers and their limited publication of .NET source is a response to open source, more a response to a demand for easier debugging.

Of course MS's support of open source projects is going to be small, they don't do them as a rule. They've given away MSDN to open source projects, and of course individual employees contribute, either directly or through support and guidance.

And then there's the MVC project. That's well supported, open and flexible. That's an anomoly really, but it's not an open source defeat, as ASP.NET MVC is open source. So if Castle loses out to it, it's still an Open Source win, in fact if anything because it's an MS supported product it will help drive adoption of an open source framework into the corporate environments.

But what's Dongfeng?!
Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Software is for the good of mankind, because it helps us making our life easyer. Provided ofcourse that the software works, with little or no effort.

If I can view that code that makes up the software is irrelivant, to me.

The added value is in reusable components. And by reusable I mean, freely reusable. Not like that virus GPL, wich states that even if you use their component your new component is bound to GPL. That's not for the good of mankind.

That's why I like the Microsoft platform. A good stable platform to develop on, good developer tools, reusable components in the .Net framework and ofcourse the legendairy P&P team providing me with guidance and even more high level components!

dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com

Let me be more specific.  My question was for bass.

BASS: Out of curiosity, where did you get the idea that Microsoft is actually funding the C# support in Eclipse (specifically)?
 What is your source?

-James

blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo
They're certainly funding Silverlight for Eclipse.
dotnetisv
dotnetisv
argeek.com
Very vague reference to funding, and its a self proclaimed reference to funding, but interesting nonetheless.

For the record a contribution in the context of support for interop (which is the reference links in the guts of the blog post you linked to) Microsoft would support most any 3rd party sponsored initiative. It's a bit of stretch to make the statement microsoft is funding this or that, one automatically thinks that the funder is pushing this or that technology through to market. That's not the case here as I see it. Thats not to say that an effort isn't underway either. One may very well be, but this post nor any of its references speak to that.

-James
PaoloM
PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Yeah, except you should really keep up. He's staying at IBM.
PaoloM
PaoloM
Hypermediocrity
Sun microsystems as a standard java formulate Microsoft should be uniform .. c + + or. Net at the open source industry standard for all lovers of the procedures at the standard active circles.

Yep. I'm sure Solaris is written in Java.
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