Posted By: elmer | Apr 15th @ 4:11 PM
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elmer
elmer
I'm on my very last life.
http://www.kace.com/about/releases/systems-management-appliance/computer-management-software-alternative/04_14_09.php

Dodgy stats, from a company who sells stuff ( why didn't you buy that trial you downloaded? ) but still perhaps enough to be a bit of a worry for MS.
Heywood_J
Heywood_J
Trust me, I'm from the Internets
Among businesses, there will always be strong resistance to making any changes to computer systems. The most important reason for avoiding operating system upgrades is one that few people are willing to acknowledge -- my employer doesn't provide me a computer so I can run an operating system, they give me a computer so i can get work done. 

If I switch to Windows 7, will my existing applications be able to do more?  Will they acquire new features?  Of course not.  So why bother with all the potential problems?
CannotResolveSymbol
CannotResolveSymbol
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Businesses have always been cautious with respect to new versions of operating systems--  we most recently saw this with Vista, but the same thing happened with XP (migrating from 2000) and with 2000 (migrating from NT 4).  It's generally more beneficial for a business to have a stable, supported environment than to have the latest shiny UI and useless interface tweaks.  Either they'll wait for the first service pack (which usually fixes the big issues people find with each Windows release) or they'll wait until their next major hardware upgrade cycle to upgrade.
It's like a game of chicken between businesses and developers; the former needs to move to the platform that allows for enhancements to existing applications and the latter needs to go ahead and build them ... except neither will until the other has.

At least Windows 7 isn't smothered by the same cloud of hate that burdened Vista, so adoption at the home user end of the spectrum should be good.
vesuvius
vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel
I would extend this to consumers as well. I know of oodles of people still running X,P because they paid £600 (on average) or $1000 at the time. Not an astronomical amount of money, but still appreciable. If your computer still runs firefox, you can get on Facebook, do your homework, watch films and instant message your friends, why throw that away?

What people need to understand is that XP became the first stable operating system from Microsoft, that could run all your applications and connect to the internet, with decent graphics and sound. For the vast majority of users what XP does is 90% what they need their computer to do. With Windows 98, it was a differrent story, as that couldn't resolve IP addresses in most cases, and who thought to add a password system that you could just press cancel on?

The developed world has reached a state of saturation point with operating systems, and gone are the days where computers are like an XBox or Playstation where a new version necessitates an upgrade.

I don't see this as a bad thing, software is not a throwaway commodity anymore, and is being engineered to last. Microsoft will need to still develop the operating system, but look more to emerging markets to maintain profitability.
Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.
A friend of mine bought XP a couple of years ago, and last week he asked me if he should upgrade to Vista or Windows 7. I think both are better than XP, but I couldn't honestly tell him to pay more money when he won't be able to do any more than he's already able to do. I can't think of a single thing I can't do now that a new operating system would fix. I wonder what Microsoft is doing about that, and if they're not doing anything about that, if it worries them.
stevo_
stevo_
Human after all
Well foremost Microsoft enables new technologies to be used, as well as general abstractions.. indirectly this will mean better applications and so on- but its hard to pin point any exact reasons.

Just tell them it looks prettier, seems to work for apple..
vesuvius
vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel
What more is there left in general purpose operating systems?

Buying my Mum a quad core machine seems wasteful. I think this is the same issue faced by business. If Office was suddenly multi-core or they would get a Silverlight application to utilise 4 cores while the OS uses the other 4 (octocore machine), then it seems to serve some function.

It isn't just Microsoft's fault, but hardware vendors are making these many-core machines that spend 90% of the time processing email from your boss, and performing CRUD in businesses proprietary software.

Has anyone tried Live Mail? Unlike outlook, this is lightweight, and performs its task really well. No bloat (that most home users need) so I am finding it increasingly hard to justify why someone needs a many core machine.

If Microsoft could nail many-core on the head with an OS that used all the cores efficiently and great performance, then most people would upgrade because there are tangible benefits.

The truth is that the software world is still playing catch-up with hardware, and the fact that there is no Pentium 5 but a Core 2 duo, is only beginning to "rear it's ugly head"
Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

As our company is running succesfull on Vista, we will give our employees the choice wether or not to upgrade to seven.

I will do so no matter what, because I want to be on the forefront of technology.

vesuvius
vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel
As will I [upgrade that is], but there is very little forefront in Technology in windows 7. The kernel updates via Arun Kishan are great, but even the new task bar with it's jump lists etc. are still the same Win32 ListView controls all implemented via GDI drawing.

From a Windows Forms developers, point of view, I have used ComponentFactory's controls for a project and already you have someone who has created a Windows 7 theme so I can create quite a lot of the controls in Win 7.

What they seem to have done is taken away a lot look at this in Live mail (and Win 7)



Apart from the new lighter theme, all they have done is remove icons. In previous versions you would have lot of icons indicating actions on the toolbar, which gives a feeling of simplicity to the toolbar now.

Again, look at the tree view (compare it with Outlook for instance)



They have just removed all the icons - genius!

Now I know you guys probably think I have an "icon fetish", but whether this is an improvement is subjective I guess.

The Glass in Windows 7 is clearer, and I don't need multitouch, especially seeing as there are no multi-touch applications available that are any good, so it all boils down to a return on investment.


Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.
I actually find the new WLM toolbar harder to use than the old one, for the precise reason that there are no icons anymore. Now when I want to reply to someone, I have to actually read the toolbar, whereas before I could spot the right icon in the corner of my eye.
Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda
Yeah, not a particular good move on the User Experience front.
littleguru
littleguru
<3 Seattle
I'm also not a fan of the removed icons... I'm very much picture driven and scan first for icons before reading the text. Therefore it's harder for me to scan, and actually read, the buttons - compared to previous versions of Windows.

I wonder why the icons have been removed...
Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda
Because of the credit crunch,...
vesuvius
vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel
What, you mean this is easier to use?



Too late now me thinks. Windows explorer and the Live product range have all used the credit crunch excuse.

It is inexcusable! Who decided this was a good idea?
Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda
Developer:
Excuse me mr. manager, I would like some time to add icons to the toolbar, can you help me?

Manager:
We will have to discuss this at our next project manager meeting.

1 meeting and 24 hours spent later;

Manager:
No, you cannot have 2 hours to implement the icons, there is no budget. And besides; we believe less is more!


The last application I have written, is a website tuned for a mobile device. I only use icons for actions because of limited screen size.
The users don't mind because they can guess what the buttons are for. These images for certain actions are imprinted into our brains, it's easier to focus on them instead of the text.
Windows XP is the biggest threat to Windows 7 adoption.
stevo_
stevo_
Human after all
Why do people talk about this like its suprising? does every other new product version in the world get instantly purchased by prior version owners? uh.. no, but do you still have to keep making new products? yes.
Sabot
Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.
Most of our business get applications via Citrix & SoftGrid/App-V, the desktop they get is thinclients running XP/e ... and a Windows 7 embedded hasn't appear yet.

As for laptops ... bring it on!
figuerres
figuerres
???
Some times I like the "thin" but most of the stuff I used to see was always low powered cpu's and not much video.
I kinda would like to see the small ff desktops with a SS hdd -- a box that has the power of a decent desktop, no spinning hdd
and the ablity to run local apps.

give the it group a way to clone ss drives so that if an OS goes bad you pull the drive and drop in a clone of a clean build.
Player42
Player42
It's good to be heckling again.
"If I switch to Windows 7, will my existing applications be able to do more?  Will they acquire new features?  Of course not.  So why bother with all the potential problems?"

In my experience with the Windows 7 beta, newer applications (Office 2007, Visual Studio 2008 etc) run noticeably faster than they do on Windows XP SP3 on identical hardware. Also, there are far fewer occasions when a single application brings the rest of the system to a halt, as, for example, Outlook is prone to doing on startup.
vesuvius
vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel
That is because most windows 7 installations are 12 weeks old "tops" i.e. fresh installations,  whereas some XP installations have been running for 6 or so years.

Do a fresh install of XP for a like-for-like comparison!
vesuvius
vesuvius
Das Glasperlenspiel
I know this is a week old, but pertinent.
 
Ooh, supplier of OS installation technology says Windows roll outs are too difficult because nobody has an OS roll out tool. What a surprise result there....

As to adoption of 7 being slow in the Enterprise, yes it will be. The Enterprise market just doesn't do quick migrations, no matter how much OS vendors would like them to. Those "looking" at Mac OS X or Linux are, more realistically, looking for MSFT discounts. Application compatibility for Windows 7 would have to be awful for anyone to seriously consider moving their entire business infrastructure over to another platform. Sticking with XP is one option, but it's getting harder to do as XP drivers for hardware become more and more difficult to locate.

The real big win killer feature for Enterprise customers is almost certainly DirectAccess. The delaying factor there, however, is nothing to do with Windows applications and everything to do with needing IPv6 infrastructure.
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