Google Wave | The Coffeehouse

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to littleguru

#Jun 1st @ 6:20 AM

Don't worry, the spec author of HTML5 would never let a single company dictate ...

Oh. The spec author works for google.

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

In reply to blowdart

#Jun 1st @ 9:17 AM

This is not the standard you are looking for...

Charles
Welcome Change

In reply to PaoloM

#Jun 1st @ 10:38 AM

Smiley

LittleGuru, here's a link with substantive information...

http://www.waveprotocol.org/Home

Behind the scenes, Wave is essentially powered by a Hailstorm-like infrastructure. Certainly, Lucovsky was involved in the design and implementation of the Wave API and associated cloud services architecture, which represents nothing really new (read the papers for yourself, of course, that's why I provided the link). Time and developers will tell.

When you think about the potential of cloud computing (or whatever you want to call it), and to quote the VP of Azure, Amitabh Srivastava, we are in the first five minutes of the first quarter. He is absolutely right.

Much to learn, there is. Strong the force is in the cloud. New doors to open, it has.

C

littleguru
<3 Seattle

In reply to Charles

#Jun 1st @ 10:51 AM

Thank you Charles Smiley I should have found that on my own... but I didn't believe stuff is actually out there, yet.

Bass
www.spreadfirefox.com/5years/

In reply to blowdart

#Jun 1st @ 9:17 AM

You can probably make a fat client that works with Wave also. I think it's all just web services. It's seems similar in concept to Jabber.

stevo_
Human after all

I just finished watching this and I thought it was really quite impressive, it might not seem much or 'how is this new' but I think theres some really interesting layers they've built up that make this very usable.. I wondered if you could have your own hosted wave and depending on how the persistence format works, you could for example: have an smtp server that pushed messages into wave, and a bot that acted as a proxy for an email recipient, so that you could use this thing today to take over your email etc without insanely alienating your contacts into also needing wave accounts.. (well not today, but when wave is GA).

rhm

In reply to stevo_

#Jun 1st @ 3:17 PM

Yes, all those things. I hope Channel9 is still around in another 5 years so we can look back and laugh at the head-in-the-sand attitude expressed by some of the people here.

As in innovation only means stuff that comes out of MSR or universities, 99% of which is BS that nobody will ever use. Innovation could be as small as making a better spell checker. Does Outlook, or Word even, have a spell checker as intelligent as the one demonstrated in the presentation? No, it's as dumb as bricks - the exact same technology as we had in the 1980s. But the really cool thing about Wave's spell checker is that it's a 'robot' that is interacting with the document along with the human editors. The possibilities for that are endless and if you can't see any littleguru, then I think you've found the right home at Microsoft.

But seriously, I don't care about it being a web app, or whether any of the parts of it have been done before. The point is, Google has come up with the protocols and a really good implementation, and it's designed from the ground up for integration. Even the naysayers will rapidly see it work it's tendrils into blog comments, web forums and bridge to IMs. Microsoft will either integrate it into Exchange Server and Sharepoint or risk being left behind with the other 1990s technologies.

Pace
In The Mix...

In reply to rhm

#Jun 2nd @ 5:34 AM

As a life long fan Microsoft, I have to say I was impressed by the simplicity of what wave is touting. Plus its potential extendability.

Much like my android phone really.

Some real good stuff coming out lately by many companies and the boundries are really starting to get pushed on all fronts of the industry in my opinion. Exciting times for each of us in different ways Smiley

littleguru
<3 Seattle

In reply to rhm

#Jun 2nd @ 5:34 AM

As I said (I can only repeat it): it is a nice combination if well-known ideas and technologies. And I'm looking forward on how this evolves.

I only think that, for example, the concept of how you play games with the Wii was more innovative than this. From the technology standpoint. And I had the feeling that Google was putting a lot light onto how innovative their Wave technology is instead of putting the highlight on probably how it helps to interact. I mean what's so special about instant preview of someone else typing a text (other than that most of the people will turn it off because you don't want to have people see how you correct stuff that you write - and it will get funny if you have a conversation with more than one person typing at the same time...).

I might also be completely wrong; what I try to express is just my impression...

And btw. I'm no MSFT fanboy...

giovanni
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In reply to rhm

#Jun 2nd @ 5:34 AM

What I personally wonder about is what will Wave be in 5 years (I am pretty confident Channel 9 will still be around). Is Wave supposed to integrate with current email and chat systems, or will it be a new type of communication? What I am worrying about is that, if it is too innovative, people might not switch (people and businesses don't like change because they have to learn again and again from scratch).

Moreover, all this emphasis on instant communication does not make me feel very well: IM is a different medium than email and has different pros and cons. IM is not necessarily a synonym of productivity. I feel Wave favors too much short instant communications, while long and well thought out emails are still very important.

As others said, there are lots of old ideas that are simply put together seamlessly in Wave. It seems to me that this is just Google's vision of UC and that it could be approached in less radical ways (read more compatible with current technologies).

stevo_
Human after all

In reply to giovanni

#Jun 2nd @ 7:40 AM

Did you even watch the presentation? the first 10 minutes as he explained what email was and how it would be rethought today I thought.. ugh, IM clone?

But if you bother to watch you'll see its neither specific to any of these things, its just such an abstract simple messaging system and it lets you build complex tasks on top of it, it already proved it could integrate email and instant message like experiences into one seemless system..

I don't really see how people will fear moving from something like webmail (or even a desktop client) into something that basically looks and works identically.. compare this against gmail and the transition is basically not there.

giovanni
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In reply to stevo_

#Jun 2nd @ 8:15 AM

Yes, I did watch it (though I was not in religious silence during the whole 1h and 20 mins). It is exactly the tight integration of email and instant messaging that makes me wonder if I really want to do both at the same time (though they should both be assets in a conversation, agreed). Having a unique platform for collaboration and messaging could be heaven or could be hell.

Instead of moving to a whole new platform which can’t connect with people who do not use it (as I understand to use Wave you need to have a “Wave” account), I would prefer to move in that direction with the tools everyone already has (emails, IMs, document sharing, etc.) and integrate those in a unique database, on the internet or on my local machine. This way I could, for example, communicate by good old email with my supplier and then have Outlook sort out all the replies into one single message including phone calls, IMs, attachments, etc.

That sad, I think Wave is very brilliant.

Charles
Welcome Change

In reply to rhm

#Jun 2nd @ 5:34 AM

My head is not in the sand. I think Wave is definitely interesting and may prove to be very succesful. I'm just trying to temper the hype with reasoned analysis of what's inside of Wave. Look, we all hype our stuff. That's what businesses do....

Do let me know what you think of Wave once you start playing with the APIs.

C

Koogle
I'm a Terminator - Astalavista, Vis7a!

They made the right choice in open sourcing it for others to implement and customize in there own way and not have just one Google version to log into. And they are definitely gonna need a lot of extension help to make it more appealing.. It does have a lot of potential and certainly the things they've done for it already are pretty good.. I'd certainly spend some time testing it out.. more than I can say about a lot of there other projects..

"Another weird thing is that they want to add drag and drop of images into the browser into the HTML 5 standard, just because they need it in Wave. The weird thing is that for such a application specific feature you need to alter a standard..."

its not just them wanting it in Wave.. I WANT IT! So I don't care if they have to push it through the HTML 5 standard! At least they are wanting to push and improve things in the right direction... And there should be more seamless interaction between the OS desktop(files) to a website through drag & drop interaction.

beats having to use some sh!ty Explorer file open/browse dialog! when you might already have a folder opened and ready to D&D a file(s) to a website offering imagehosting etc

And if MS didn't suck with there general lack of decent OS improvements they'd have improved the whole D&D scenerio support and interaction by now, something they should have started years ago! Like allowing developers to set the default taskbar drop action for certain file types for there program and/or making it user customizable... but what do you get for taskbar improvements in Win7.. mostly crap, with jumplists and task progress(the only slight exceptions that are slight improvements).

btw not only did Google not bother using crapbrowser IE.. they demo'd on ye old luna blue XP Tongue Out what no Vist-eer love at Google?

AndyC

It's an interesting idea, though I can't help but feel what was demoed didn't really go that far beyond what is currently in GMail/GoogleTalk and Google Docs. Except for the displaying of text as you type, which strikes me as a awful idea for conversations, I like having the ability to rephrase something, even in a relatively fluid IM conversation, or even just to get that one last chance to not send a message when you see that it's just going to enflame matters. I can see most people either turning that off (defeating the whole purpose) or feeling the need to draft messages elsewhere first (really defeating the whole purpose).

The whole privacy issue is going to be massive too, I don't really want one company having access to all my searches, conversations, knowing the blog posts I read, etc. And the federated support is a complete joke: it only remains private if you don't have any Google members in the conversation, but given that the spellchecker is a Google robot, you'd have to switch that off just to keep something truly private. Heck, even using the ability to automatically recognise hyperlinks requires you to send all your conversations Google-wise. Was that really the best technical solution, or is it just terribly convenient for Googles business model? The whole thing gets even worse when you realise that potentially any "robot" functionality that might be even vaguely useful requires you to allow third parties the right to snoop in on any conversation you have. Epic fail.

JourdonAbraham

In reply to giovanni

#May 30th @ 1:48 AM

I am interested in google wave,though i've never use it!

I will have a try later!

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dragonkicks

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androidi

"replace some of our uses for e-mail"

I see this replacing all forums on the web. I also see all spam and moronic posts being gone for good. This happens by having a bot in every discussion that shares info about who are the morons and the bot will use hardware identifiers like Punkbuster. So write one spam and you'll be locked out of all discussions everywhere until you buy new hardware and get new ip and new license of Windows! Smiley

... of course you could spoof all that stuff it uses to identify the user. That's why I have a bot that requires you to use bank and government authentication of your profile.

intelman

I am ready for Cloud computing to die. Seems like it never will. I think it is dangerous for privacy (I will never store documents on Google Docks, I put stuff on skydrive but I encrypt them first). Local clients always feel better, and are capable of much more.

Apple Microsoft and Google all seem to embrace cloud computing. Is there anyone against it?

Bass
www.spreadfirefox.com/5years/

In reply to intelman

#Jun 10th @ 11:32 AM

Richard Stallman of the Free Software Foundation

giovanni
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In reply to Bass

#Jun 10th @ 12:34 PM

Yes, I remember his comment, but can't find it right now. However, I think the problem is what you want to put on the "cloud." Pictures from my last trip so that my friends can download them? Who cares if big brother (MS, Google or others) takes a little look at what's inside. Actually, I don't mind a few targeted adds, at least I get to see adds for climbing equipment and not for viagra. The projects my company is working on? On my dead body! This is as closed sourced as it can get.