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DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!

Apparently MS is only going to offer Windows 7 without IE in the EU. OEMs will have the option of including it and/or other browsers.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10262630-56.html?tag=mncol;txt

I still think Windows EU (eww) would have been a better name.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

more crapware in new notebook

AKA
Google chrome and toolbar

brian.shapiro
things go on as always

"For computer makers that want it, Microsoft will offer a free "IE 8 pack" that allows them to add the browser back in. It's a little more complicated for consumers who buy a retail copy of Windows 7. Because the operating system lacks a browser, there's not a direct way to go to Microsoft's Web site to download one. Microsoft aims to make it as easy as possible for folks in Europe to get the browser, though, and plans to offer it via CD, FTP and retail channels, according to a person a familiar with the situation."

What a mess.

Microsoft may be trying to make a point by not offering a version with a browser.

DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!

In reply to Dovella

#Jun 11th @ 12:18 PM

Bah. Google Chrome is a fine browser. I'm using it right now. I'm sure many OEMs will still include IE anyways.

The people this will hit the most will be those buying the retail or upgrade versions. Supposedly MS will be offereing (free?) IE (and Live Essentials) disks at retail as well. It's like the 90s all over again.

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

In reply to DCMonkey

#Jun 11th @ 12:21 PM

Yes is fine ok, but i want PC CLEAN out of box, i want choose .

Why remove IE 8?

Tomorrow remove WMP , after remove Calculator, Wordpad, Paint, Games Notes etc.

WIndows have IE like APple have Safari , Itunes, etc.

I do not understand why Microsoft is punished

PS.

http://microsoftontheissues.com/cs/blogs/mscorp/archive/2009/06/11/working-to-fulfill-our-legal-obligations-in-europe-for-windows-7.aspx

wastingtimewithforums

In reply to DCMonkey

#Jun 11th @ 12:21 PM

Will only be the E versions available in the EU or will the E versions be sold along with the normal versions? That's not clear.

The N version (without media player) is sold along with the normal version here in the EU (and no one buys the N version).

Bass
Channel 9, best used in moderation

In reply to Dovella

#Jun 11th @ 12:26 PM

Actually I would love a version of Windows without pretty much anything except the ability to run common Win32 applications. Basically I'd love it if Microsoft would implement this: http://www.winehq.org/

Maybe the EU can "ask" for that, especially under a public domain/BSD-style license Devil

Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

In reply to Bass

#Jun 11th @ 12:29 PM

USe Xp with Nlite.

its easy

Bass
Channel 9, best used in moderation

In reply to Dovella

#Jun 11th @ 12:34 PM

Still requires a virtual machine. What I want is Win32 available on all platforms, free of charge. This would of course force Microsoft to compete on the quality of their operating system, and not what applications it can run.

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

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blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to wastingtimewithforums

#Jun 11th @ 12:28 PM

They'll still offer the full version in the EU.

N stood for "No-one will buy this"

E stands for "Erect digit, middle"

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

In reply to blowdart

#Jun 11th @ 12:43 PM

They'll still offer the full version in the EU.

I have no direct info, but that didn't sound what the memo said.

"Windows 7 will be offered in Europe in all of the versions that will be available here in the United States, both 32- and 64-bit, with an “E” at the end of the product name (for instance, Windows 7 Home Premium E). The E versions of Windows 7 will ship at the same time as Windows 7 ships in the rest of the world, and they will be available in 23 European languages."

There's no mention of the "full" version being available in Europe...

blowdart
Peek-a-boo

In reply to PaoloM

#Jun 11th @ 12:50 PM

Hmm yes. Maybe misread that, I guess versions means Basic, Basic+, SuperBasic, etc.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Well, great. Now I'm being punished for some company's apparent misbehaviour. Thanks a *ing bundle, EU.

Also: what about stuff that uses IE components, like help?

wastingtimewithforums

In reply to Bas

#Jun 11th @ 2:08 PM

I am sure MSHTML.dll is included, just not IEXPLORE.exe

Dodo
I'm your creativity creator™ :)

In reply to brian.shapiro

#Jun 11th @ 12:19 PM

I like it. Big Smile

Another browser? Hm... no, but NO browser seems like a good idea... Now I want to see how people manage to download Opera on a netbook, without having it on an USB drive, of course... Smiley

Ubuntu

In reply to Bas

#Jun 11th @ 2:08 PM

Now I'm being punished for some company's apparent misbehaviour.

The company you are referring to is M$. And they are punished for their unlawful behaviour of using their monopoly position to prevent users from being able to make a choice if they want the M$ browser on their system or not - customization during installation.

Ubuntu

In reply to Dodo

#Jun 11th @ 2:36 PM

NO browser seems like a good idea

Why can't the "developers, developers, developers" over at M$ implement Lynx that could be used to download the web browser you want to have.

magicalclick

In this case, I hope they sell Win7 Ewww version and Win7 Not Ewww version both in stores. Or maybe I should open an online store selling Not Ewwed version.

My ads will be like: "Get More For The Same Price. Get Windows 7 US unEwwed Version Now on www.win7uneu.com"

brian.shapiro
things go on as always

In reply to Ubuntu

#Jun 11th @ 3:48 PM

They could. I don't think they believe users want to go through that. Why doesn't Apple implement Lynx if its such a brilliant idea.

Ubuntu

In reply to blowdart

#Jun 11th @ 12:43 PM

N stood for "No-one will buy this"

And you see that the EU didn't let M$ fool it this time - you people have no respect for the law - you think that the law is about M$ pushing their products onto people who don't want them and you making money out of that by having a strategic advantage in the market place.

asdasdasdf

In reply to Ubuntu

#Jun 11th @ 3:53 PM

UNJUST laws.

Ubuntu

In reply to brian.shapiro

#Jun 11th @ 3:52 PM

Why doesn't Apple implement Lynx if its such a brilliant idea.

Because Apple does not have a monopoly position in the market place there antitrust law doesn't apply to it. And besides Apple web engine is open-source therefore it does not push forward a proprietary lock-in solution.