Posted By: jamie | Jun 25th @ 9:48 PM
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as long mentioned on facebook - ultimate price went up - premium went down

http://twitpic.com/8fwn2

so lets all stop buying ultimate (just to be cool)

<jerry>who are these people that need ultimate? us?  well to be cool yes - but to be taken advantage of? no.

BOYCOTT ULTIMATE. 

HOME or BUSINESS only

?

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

I rather like being able to install the Japanese language pack. Only ultimate can do that unfortunately. Otherwise I'd probably be ok with Professional.

Sabot
Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.

Jamie some of us have TechNet and MSDN licenses so, in theory, it's the same price for Ultimate as Home or Business, i.e. you've already paid for it, well for one year at least.

However I did fork out for Vista Ultimate and was bitterly disappointed that I didn't seem to get £100 extra benefit, so I wouldn't need to boycott it for Windows 7 .... I would just vote with my feet.

To be fair Jamie, those are Australian prices.

In the US, 7 Ultimate is cheaper than Vista Ultimate (when it launched).

Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

I kind of like both the media and the remote desktop stuff, so if Ultimate is the only one that offers those, Ultimate it is.

As an Australian, I'm pretty dissapointed with these retail prices. We don't get preorder discounts either.

PaoloM
PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

Do you need BitLocker? Do you need multilanguage UI?

If yes, you need Ultimate, if not, Pro is just fine.

blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Bit Locker isn't just for corporates (although you get better recovery if you are in an AD) - although the premium here is rather steep.

Frankly I'm not convinced you do get it. It's rather doubtful that you, Jamie, need Ultimate at all.

blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Really? I had the impression you'd only be content with a version just for you.

The vast majority of developers will want Professional, if only for the Virtual PC and remote desktop bits. Home users - home premium.

Those rare souls who want language packs, or are outside of an Enterprise and still want to use Bitlocker need ultimate. And will pay way way too much for it.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Ultimate exists for one reason only, and it's something that's tought in Economics 101.

If you sell your product at $100 you might sell 10mln copies. If you price it $50 you might sell 30mln copies instead, so obviously you make more money with the lower price. However, there's 10mln people who would've paid $100 who now only paid $50, so that's money you could've made but didn't.

The way around that is market segmentation: you charge more to the people who want to pay more. Of course, you can't do this too transparently because people will cry foul. The most common solution is to release the product at $100, then take the price down after a few months. That way the people who are willing to pay $100 will pay it, and people who aren't willing to pay $100 can buy it later.

The other option, which is what MS is doing, is to have different versions of the product. MS knows there are people who are willing to pay more just for the idea they have the "ultimate" version, and of course MS wants that money. The people who aren't willing to pay that much can get Home Premium.

With Vista it wasn't done correctly though. By not making the editions supersets of each other, they forced people who wanted the features of both Business and Home Premium to get Ultimate. This might sound good from a marketers perspective, but in reality it meant that a lot of people who weren't in the "willing to pay more" group had to buy Ultimate to get the features they wanted, and this created backlash. Windows 7 appears to have done away with this concept.

This isn't anything strange or unusual. Everyone does it. Airlines in particular have turned it into an art, to the point that everybody in the plane will have paid a different price for exactly the same product.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

i get it - except apple sells for 30$ and 129$

That's because Apple's main goal is to sell hardware. You sell hardware by making the software cheap (something which Joel on Software called "commoditizing the complement"). The only reason Apple even makes software is to entice people to buy the hardware; there's no business argument for making the software expensive in that situation.

In fact, Apple doesn't even have anything similar to the retail copies of Windows, because you always have to buy some Apple hardware before you can even consider buying OSX by itself.

I'm sure that if buying a $1500 hypothetical "MS-PC" was a prerequisite for running Windows, then Windows would be just as cheap as OSX.

This is stuff I learned in high school, it's not rocket science.

Do we need a campaign to tell us not to pay for things we don't want/need?

I bought Vista Ultimate for two of my machines because I wanted RDP access to both and Media Center on both. I didn't buy it for the nebulous Ultimate Extras (I doubt anyone did; who would pay money for a feature promise without knowing what it would turn out to be??). I didn't buy it just to feel special or to avoid thinking about which version I needed, either. I bought it because I wanted its featureset.

I don't want the Windows 7 Ultimate featureset so i won't be paying for it. It's not a huge amount more than Pro, though, so if I did want it I'd happily pay for it.

I guess it might be bad for people who want multiple languages but don't want the stuff that's in Pro, being forced to pay extra for the Pro *and* Ultimate features when they only want the latter.

I can't imagine why many people would want to use BitLocker over 3rd party encryption tools. Good for if the machine gets stolen, I suppose, but I want encrypted data that isn't always mounted just because I'm logged in (me again with my silly notions about reducing the time window for bad things to happen and increasing the chance that anti-malware tools will catch something before it can pounce Smiley ) and which is easy to copy / backup as-is without decrypting or re-encrypting. Still, if BitLocker was what I wanted then the extra cost over Pro wouldn't be bad.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

(The Microsoft Hypothetical Personal Computer - $1500 - sold! )

If you're willing to pay money for a hypothetical computer, then I've got a bridge over here you might want to buy... Tongue Out

(And keep in mind that in order for Windows to become cheap, it needs to be impossible to run it on any other computer except the MS-PC, just like with OSX; so you'd better be willing to throw away all the hardware you currently own)

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

No, it's the Tacoma Narrows suspension bridge (the original). Interested? Tongue Out

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