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brian.shapiro
brian.shapiro
things go on as always
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Microsoft Corp.'s chief executive attempted to laugh off the challenge of Google Inc.'s planned computer operating system on Tuesday, conceding only that it was "interesting."

"I will be respectful," Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer said to laughs from the audience at a conference for the company's technology partners in New Orleans, which was broadcast over the Internet.

"Who knows what this thing is? To me, the Chrome OS thing is highly interesting," said Ballmer, choosing his words carefully and drawing more amusement from the largely pro-Microsoft crowd.

"It won't happen for a year and a half and they already announced an operating system," he added, referring to Google's Android system for smartphones.

Last week Google said it was planning a computer operating system based on its Chrome browser, aiming directly at the core business for Microsoft, the world's largest software company, whose Windows operating systems are used on more than 90 percent of personal computers.

Google's plan, based on the theory that access to the Internet is now the most important feature of any computing device, is separate from its Android system already available for smartphones and soon for small PCs.

"I don't know if they can't make up their mind or what the problem is over there, but the last time I checked, you don't need two client operating systems," said Ballmer. "It's good to have one."

jason818_253.33
jason818_253.33
Yippi skippy

Was it a laugh of insecurity or a laugh of arrogance?

Dodo
Dodo
I'm your creativity creator™ :)

Uh-oh... I remember him laughing about the iPhone not having a keyboard and being overpriced... see where that brought it... I have a bad feeling about this.

It was overpriced, and it was a joke people paid that much when it was first released.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Version 3, actually. Smiley

JoshRoss
JoshRoss
A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

Good things come to those who wait.

First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they throw chairs at you, then you win, but only if you have an health insurance that covers being hit by a flying chair.

JoshRoss
JoshRoss
A righteous infliction of retribution manifested by an appropriate agent.

I'm a happy BlackBerry user.  Perhaps, Windows Mobile 8 will change my tune.  My last phone was a Motorola Q, and it was so bad that ran it over with a forklift two months into the contract.  I have all kinds of computers; I don't need another one, I just want a phone that works.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Personally, I can't recall ever using cut and paste on any phone I've ever owned. I'm happy with my iPhone, cut and paste or not. Smiley

Fact is, even though many of Ballmer's points about the iPhone were correct (it was overpriced and under-featured, at least initially), it still managed to become one of the most popular mobile phones out there. Underestimating your competitors like Ballmer appears to be in the habit of doing is not a good idea.

At this point, nobody can say what WM 7 or 8 will be like. There's only been the most vague of hints and rumors.

I think it's obvious that the reason 6.5 is so half assed is that it's requirement was that it be done on top of the 6.x codebase without showing anything they've got cooking for vNext.

leeappdalecom
leeappdalecom
.nettter

As someone who has used Blackberry, Windows Mobile and iPhone I can say iPhone wins a million times over right now with OS 3.0.

My Blackberry bold was a good phone and I liked it alot but the iPhone is in another league.  I seriously doubt the objectivity of people who can't see that the iPhone is a superior device to anything on the market.

I was worried about not having a physical keyboard because I liked the Blackberry one so much, but that's not a problem at all, yeah its slightly slower than the Blackberry but I can live with that.

Windows mobile isn't even a contender, had so many bad experiences with it over the versions.

Objectivity has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of phone a person has. It has everything to do with what you like and don't like and what you do on a daily basis.

So, hell yeah, I'm biased and having a blast.

Evil SEO
Evil SEO
An undercover agent trying to stop Rick Astley from destroying the world.

"Objectivity has absolutely nothing to do with what kind of phone a person has. It has everything to do with what you like and don't like and what you do on a daily basis."

I completely agree. If you like when your phone is unbelievably slow, if you appreciate waiting minutes for the web pages to load or keeping clicking accidentally due to the incredibly unreliable page zooming, if you enjoy having to pull in and out the stylus to click all those amazingly tiny buttons everywhere and if you really can't resist the temptation of having to launch the task manager from the programs menu when you want to switch between the applications or just love savoring the despair of seeing your phone OS slowly dying because every application you close remains open in background eating all the little ram and CPU that the sluggish OS hasn't already eaten then there's no better choice than Windows Mobile. I love suffering and having my phone suffer: I choose Windows Mobile!

P. S. a phone from 2001 with proper task management just called and said "haw-haw!".

WM has problems, but it's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Applications close when I want them to, and stay running in the background when I want them to. I can access a list of running applications at any time. I've never actually had it run out of RAM, so I don't know about that problem you describe. I also haven't touched the stylus in months. Wait, that's not right. I used it to scratch a really bad and hard to reach itch in my ear a while back. Expressionless

Oh, look, the DSL is being flakey. Let me set up my phone as a wireless hotspot, aaaand off we go.

Oh, it would be nice to have a bigger screen and a faster processor, (Although the latest builds of 6.5 are pretty snappy) but I want it to be on my terms, not subject to the whims of some designer somewhere. I really like that it's almost infinitely customizable. I also like a hardware keyboard. I like being able to access websites with flash, but it would be nice to have an adblock feature.

For my day-to-day purposes and lifestyle, an iPhone wouldn't work out. It's not like I've never played with them before, they just don't appeal to me or have as rich of a development story as I would like.

I'm not going to say the iPhone isn't a good device, there's some spiffy hardware in there. If you like it, then that is wonderful. I'm sure your parents are proud and will support your decision.

Evil SEO
Evil SEO
An undercover agent trying to stop Rick Astley from destroying the world.

"Applications close when I want them to, and stay running in the background when I want them to."

With windows mobile you have no control on which applications can stay open and which can't. If you do it's because your phone has some third party software in it that hacks the X button behavior.

"I can access a list of running applications at any time."

Where "any time" means having to go to the start menu and keep scrolling two-three pages until you reach the bottom where the task manager is and then launch it? On WM 6.5, where the scrolling halts at each page, it's going to be uber-awesome. All of this if your phone hasn't yet another other ugly task management hack done by the phone manufacturer.

"I've never actually had it run out of RAM, so I don't know about that problem you describe."

You don't? Then I wonder why the latest phones models have 256 or more mb of ram. I'm sure the phone manufacturers love investing in useless features.

"I also haven't touched the stylus in months. Wait, that's not right. I used it to scratch a really bad and hard to reach itch in my ear a while back. Expressionless"

You don't? Then how do you tap all those small notification icons, for example to set the phone volume, or check the battery status, how do you select text properly or how do you use all those tiny scrollbars or the incredibly small on-screen keyboard?

This is the WM default keyboard, can you really tell me you can type on this, with your fingers, on a 3'' or smaller phone screen? If you can then you must have the smallest fingers in the world.

Windows Mobile has an awful UI, if you can manage to do something without pulling out the stylus it's just because your phone manufacturer did tons of ugly hacks and applications replacements to make the UI more usable or you have a ginormous PDA phone with a QVGA screen.

"Oh, look, the DSL is being flakey. Let me set up my phone as a wireless hotspot, aaaand off we go."

Just another third party app included by the phone manufacturer.

"Oh, it would be nice to have a bigger screen and a faster processor, (Although the latest builds of 6.5 are pretty snappy) but I want it to be on my terms, not subject to the whims of some designer somewhere. I really like that it's almost infinitely customizable."

You can try all the faster processors you want: with WM having a nearly inexistent UI acceleration the phone is always going to be laggy.

"I also like a hardware keyboard."

Which keyboard? The Touch Pro keyboard that has no left/right hardware buttons, OK and start menu buttons or the Xperia X1 keyboard that has no directional arrows (unbelievable but true).

"I like being able to access websites with flash, but it would be nice to have an adblock feature."

Flash use is primarily for ads. With flash lite you can view only a subset of flash animations: only those that are designed for flash player 8. Is it really worth having all your page loads slowed by all the websites' ads just to see youtube and some other lame flash animations?

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Although some of your points are valid, using a screenshot of Windows Mobile 2003 doesn't help your case, especially since WM5 and WM6.x are considerably more finger friendly than WM2003 (I can do quite a lot without the stylus on my Axim X51v, though not as much as on my iPhone).

Evil SEO
Evil SEO
An undercover agent trying to stop Rick Astley from destroying the world.

"Although some of your points are valid"

Just some?

"using a screenshot of Windows Mobile 2003 doesn't help your case,"

The on-screen keyboard of WM6 and WM6.5 is the same, it just has some fancy 3d effect but if you believe it's different you can post another screenshot.

"especially since WM5 and WM6.x are considerably more finger friendly than WM2003 (I can do quite a lot without the stylus on my Axim X51v, though not as much as on my iPhone)."

You can do without the stylus because you have a PDA with a very big screen. Try that on a phone screen like the diamond's without all the UI hacks.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

The screen of my Axim and my iPhone are almost exactly the same size.

The default keyboard is not finger friendly, I'll agree. But then again, neither is the iPhone's keyboard (although it's better). It's mainly the spell checker that makes it work. And there are third party keyboards for WM that are better, as well as many other soft input panels. On the iPhone, you can't use custom input methods. You complain that what makes some WM phones more usable is third party apps, but the way I see it, the fact that WM is that customizable is a good thing.

What I don't agree with is the difficulty of using the scrollbars without a stylus; they are easy to use by putting your finger against the edge of the screen. The same is true of the of notification icons at the top.

Plus I don't like that you can't use a stylus with the iPhone. Writing kanji with your finger (which I have to do with the Chinese handwriting recognition, because the iPhone still doesn't have a real Japanese one) is awkward.

The press & public were universally positive about the idea of an Apple phone, from what I can remember. The reaction to Chrome OS has been a universal "WTF?", at least on the sites I read.

In the iPhone case I think Balmer was doing some wishful thinking, trash-talking the competition and focusing on the product's negatives while trying to ignore the huge positives (mainly the swish UI). With Chrome OS he seems to be on the money from what little has been announced so far. I mean, from what little we've been told, Chrome OS doesn't actually have any positives except that it's free (but there are already free OS for netbooks).

So far, Chrome OS is defined by what it doesn't do, not what it does do. You can choose to not do the same things with other OS as well.

Has Balmer underestimated other rival products that went on to do really well? I wouldn't call him in the habit of doing it yet, though I also wouldn't pay much attention to what he says either as he's not exactly unbiased. (Similarly, when Steve Jobs says something about Windows, I don't take him seriously. People that high-up in big companies are basically trolls when it comes to the competition. Smiley )

Evil SEO
Evil SEO
An undercover agent trying to stop Rick Astley from destroying the world.

"The screen of my Axim and my iPhone are almost exactly the same size."

I didn't know that, since I never saw one next the other. I remember the Axim was quite big but that's probably due to the screen frame, however what is interesting is that your axim has 192 DPIs set as default, twice the standard 96dpi. It's like having a QVGA device the size of a VGA device and if as by your own admission it's not as usable with your fingers as your iphone you could imagine how much it would be usable without that DPI hack on its real resolution.

"The default keyboard is not finger friendly, I'll agree. But then again, neither is the iPhone's keyboard (although it's better). It's mainly the spell checker that makes it work. And there are third party keyboards for WM that are better, as well as many other soft input panels. On the iPhone, you can't use custom input methods."

I used htc keyboard, fingerkeyb, resco keyboard and pocketcm and while all those were far better than the tiny WM keyboard they still couldn't hold a candle against the iphone's keyboard, not just because of the predictive text input but also because of the screen that is far more finger friendly. However if you don't mind jailbreaking your iphone there are quite a few keyboard replacements with some even allowing you to create your own custom keyboards with all the letters you want disposed in the way you want.

"You complain that what makes some WM phones more usable is third party apps, but the way I see it, the fact that WM is that customizable is a good thing."

The two things don't actually conflict. The fact that WM is customizable is good, the fact that phone makers have to hack and customize it in extreme ways to make it usable because it's far below the usability standards set by the other phone OSes is bad.

"What I don't agree with is the difficulty of using the scrollbars without a stylus; they are easy to use by putting your finger against the edge of the screen. The same is true of the of notification icons at the top."

Yes, maybe if you have a sunken screen like in your case you can use the scrollbars and icons more easily because you have the frame in the way that keeps your finger aligned but on newer phones where the screens aren't sunken anymore you can't: you have to keep your finger very still in order to scroll properly or put your finger vertically and use the nail and you have to center the notification icon perfectly with your finger. That's not finger friendly at all.

"Plus I don't like that you can't use a stylus with the iPhone. Writing kanji with your finger (which I have to do with the Chinese handwriting recognition, because the iPhone still doesn't have a real Japanese one) is awkward."

You can use a stylus, just not the standard ones.

leeappdalecom
leeappdalecom
.nettter

That last statement makes me think you still live with your parents Perplexed

Ballmer's points:

- price - it came down shortly after the release

- no keyboard - billions of people use mobile phones only with a numeric keypad and they manage to text a lot with that

- 0 existing sales - he missed the fact how many people already had the iPod at that time and many people wanted a phone+ipod kind of device

Some people had a better understanding of the market than Ballmer:

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