jono question: will win7 64 - utilize all ram with 32 bit apps? | The Coffeehouse

jamie

as in - if jono runs 32bit sonar - with 32 bit waves plugin - will it still use all the ram - if you have it

( sonar 64 loaded on touch screen 64 - but "Waves" plugin is only 32 bit - wouldnt come in

so if he used sonar 32 - with waves 32 - will it still use all the ram - if its win7 64

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* yes after 10 years hes finally testing something other than xp:)

GoddersUK
I CAN has cheezburger and you CAN'T has stop me!

It think it's pretty impressive that he's been using xp for 10 years since it was only released in 2001.

jamie

In reply to GoddersUK

#Aug 30th @ 1:21 PM

..add the Xp - winnt 5 cairo beta's Smiley

(there were ALOT of them... i remember when the UI changed to luna - or most of luna)

...yes - im the guy who liked luna.. rubbermaid utilitarian UI

..so - if you have 8 or 16 gigs of ram - will it work with 32 bit apps - or will they only use 2 or 3 (or whatever it is)

DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!

No, assuming that by "all the RAM" you mean > 4GB. Sonar 32-bit will still be limited to 4GB (It is large address aware). VST plugins like Waves are just DLLs and are loaded in process so they will share the same address space.

Sonar 64-bit is supposed to be able to load 32-bit VST plugins via its BitBridge. I'm guessing this is a separate 32-bit process that Sonar can talk to. It will introduce extra latency. Perhaps it is a Waves specific issue that is causing the problem in that scenario. Or maybe there is a Waves 64-bit available?

sushovande
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In reply to jamie

#Aug 30th @ 1:26 PM

I believe each individual 32 bit app can use up to 4GB.

Since the system can use all your RAM, by moving to 64 bit, you can have multiple apps open at the same time, each of which takes 4GB ram, which is definitely an improvement.

jamie

In reply to jamie

#Aug 30th @ 1:26 PM

<ot> ill never understand why luna wasnt allowed to exist in the vista/7 era. it was mainly a texture - rubber / soft ... not glass / sharp / jarring

Just like V and 7 allowed you to change all windows colours - they should maybe allow for texture overlays as well.. ie brick, sand, rubber, marble, pine, earth, etc

jamie

so.. that means no - it cannot - unless its all 64 bit (app and plugins)

DCMonkey
Monkey see, monkey do, monkey will destroy you!

In reply to jamie

#Aug 30th @ 1:46 PM

Well it can use more than it could in Vista 32-bit. Large address aware 32-bit apps can use 4GB on 64-bit Vista vs 3GB on 32-bit Vista. And if he can get Waves working via that Sonar BitBridge feature, then 64-bit Sonar would have access to all the RAM and the 32-bit plugins would get to share up to 4GB for themselves. And apparently in the next version of Sonar, you'll be able to run 32-bit plugins in separate instances, so each could conceivably have it's own 4GB.

jamie

In reply to DCMonkey

#Aug 30th @ 1:52 PM

thanks. Smiley

edit: - he's currently in xp - and it uses - 3 gigs? (with that thing you load?)

PS - *jono - you should just make an account here... everyone knows you as angies producer and from your website \

Plus - smart people will answer your questions - maybe even the guy who works on windows sound himself (larry) Smiley

Sven Groot
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In reply to jamie

#Aug 30th @ 1:58 PM

A 32 bit application on a 32 bit OS will normally get 2GB of address space. If the application is large address aware (which is a flag set in the executable file header), you can use the /3G boot switch to give it 3GB of address space (using this switch is not recommended for normal usage). Such an application will get 4GB of address space on 64 bit Windows.