Posted By: RoyalSchrubber | Sep 1st @ 12:58 PM
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RoyalSchrubber
RoyalSchrubber
One. How many time travellers does it take to change a lightbulb?

I was thinking of getting one, but can't decide on which one - I've read some reviews and it seems many of them are not completely reliable as they sometimes leave out sections of writing. At least that's what some people at Amazon think, but it might be that they are just not using/holding it correctly.

So I am wondering if any niner has any experience with these things, are they just toys or can they be used in real environment like college lectures where you have to write lots of condensed text very fast. Any particular product that you like?

W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Writing is always going to be slower than typing, so why not make lecture notes using a netbook or subnotebook instead?

W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Try entering LaTeX using a keyboard, or using MathType, or Office's new Equation Editor tools, works for me.

Have to disagree, I can easily write as fast as I can type. And significantly faster when it comes to including diagrams, mathematics symbols etc. And I don't even do shorthand.

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

I can write faster than I can type, the only problem is, I won't be able to read it afterwards. Actually, that's a problem with my handwriting no matter how fast or slow I write. Smiley

I use LaTeX on a weekly basis and that sounds difficult to me. The verbosity of most of the commands means that for some symbols you often end up typing four or five (or more) times as many characters as you would write. Notebooks in lectures are very rare here because they're inefficient and distracting, though granted I'm not in any CS classes, where I suppose they would be more useful.

 

The main reservation I have with digital pens is that battery life is poor, not even enough to last a whole day. Some reviews I've seen gave times of two or three hours which is just not enough.

I do, as it happens. My own particular weapon of choice is Livescribe

 

I type about the same speed I write but, as you say, diagrams and doodles are much easier with a pen.

 

I'll start with the disadvantages:

You have to use their own paper and notebooks which can be a little expensive but well worth it in my opinion. They do a whole range of notebooks which cover just about everything you should need (I use the Moleskins).  If you have access to a laser printer you can print your own paper for Livescribe, but I reckon it would be cheaper to buy the notebooks. The notebooks also have the added advantage of having a calculator printed on the inside cover, which means you can tap in calculations on the fly and have the results displayed on the pen.

 

The pen also has a microphone which starts recording when you tap an icon on the bottom of the page. Tap it and keep writing. When you upload the notes to your Livescribe Desktop application (PC or Mac), you'll notice that some of your scrawl is shown on the page in green. Click the mouse over the green bit and your lectures dulcit tones will play out through your speakers. Really useful; you don't miss a thing.  You can run any number of notebooks at the same time, and the pen will keep track of what was written in which book, so they always get loaded up to the right notebook on the Livescribe desktop application.

 

It can search for words in hand-written notes, just like Evernote and OneNote can, and if that wasn't enough, it has an addon which allows you to OCR your notes into editable RTF files.

 

Buy it already.

 

 

 

 

I get about a day and a half's worth of notetaking out of mine.

I'm pretty fast with LaTeX because I don't have to worry about formatting while I'm typing. It all falls apart when I need to get it into Word format though .... Sad

 

Dr Herbie
Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

Digital pens? Pah, in my day we used charcoal on the cave walls ...

 

Actually, note taking is a skill that develops with use.  Lectures are a good training ground for this.  My weapons of choice were a fine-nibbed Bic and narrow ruled paper.  Developing your own shorthand grammar is a good skill that you can retain: I still know what "def/n of eq/m eq/n" means when I scribble it down.

 

I don't know, students today.  We used to live in squallor and eat beans when I was a student, and now you've all got mobile phones and digital pens.  Call that progress?  Um, ok, so it is progress.  Um ....

 

Herbie

 

EDIT: What I'm getting at, in a very roundabout way, is that digital pens cost money and you have to decide whether that's the best use of money.  I think it's still the case that (bad handwriting aside) reading from paper is faster than reading from a screen, so other than searching through notes digitising them may not offer much benefit for the cost and effort.

Dr Herbie said:
Digital pens? Pah, in my day we used charcoal on the cave walls ...

 

You had charcoal??  We had to make our own ink. Out of bed at 4am to milk a squid - those were the days.

 

The problem is that today's courses are all about team work and collaboration; much harder to get away with your own shorthand.

 

 

 

That's much more respectable. The one I was mainly looking at was a Logitech model. This was about 12 months ago so I'm not even sure if it's still sold.

Dr Herbie
Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

Retaining notes for only two months?  What do you do with them?  I've still got some lecture notes from my undergraduate classes 20 years ago! The great thing about old fashioned pen and paper notes is that the media doesn't go out of date Wink

 

Herbie

 

Good questions. I've found it very reliable. As long as the stroke shows up on the page, then it'll show up on the desktop. Seems to manage to work upside down, but I wouldn't recommend it. It has yet to miss a stroke, unless I forget to switch it on (see later).

 

It's heftier than a normal pen, but not unbearably so. The biggest problem I find is that I sometimes write a few lines before remembering that I haven't switched it on. I think I'd prefer it switched on when you pressed the pen to the paper.

 

I often write a note like 'IMPORTANT #1' next to stuff I want to find easily, then I can do a text search and bring it straight to the front.

 

Oh, it's a good idea  to ask the lecturer/students if it's okay to make voice recordings, especially if you plan to put your notes online.

 

 

 

No problem at all ... Smiley

 

Quick disclaimer: I don't work for these folk and I don't have any shares!

 

It's not for everybody, but I'm one of those people who backs up his computers religiously, so there's no reason I shouldn't do the same for my handwritten notes.

 

 

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