Posted By: Minh | Sep 17th @ 7:26 PM
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Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

It just occured to me.... the Arc Mouse produces NO light... How is it that it's sampling the surface?

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Laser that uses non-visible frequencies, I would guess.

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CannotResolveSymbol
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Sure you're looking at it the right way?

 

My MS laser mouse (the Laser Mouse 6000) uses a standard red laser.  It's too weak to see it reflect off a surface (you *might* be able to see it in a pitch black room, if you're lucky), and the lens on it is such that there's a very narrow range where it's visible

Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

I also have an arc mouse, and it definitely doesn't produce any visible light. My immediate guess was that it produces light in the infrared spectrum. And immediately after that I wondered if you could damage your eyes staring right into an infrared laser for as long as I had.

Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

Isn't it done with LED's instead of lasers?

stevo_
stevo_
Human after all

Pretty sure no real laser mouse has a light, laser mice have been around for at least 3 years.

Massif
Massif
aim stupidly high, expect to fail often.

you think there's a different between LEDs and silicon based lasers? They're fundamentally the same thing!

 

Whether or not you can see the light would depend on the wavelength of the laser, but most likely they only have obvious lights in them so you're aware they're active.

Dr Herbie
Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

<IT SUPPORT MODE>

 

Is it plugged in?

Is it switched on?

Have you tried switching it off and back on again?

Are your eyes open?

Is there someone else in the room who can verify that it's real?

Is there someone else in the room to shake you and tell you to get a grip on yourself?

That will be $50, please.

 

</IT SUPPORT MODE>

 

Herbie

 

ZippyV
ZippyV
Fired Up

Use a camera or your webcam and see if it can capture the light.

I've got a Logitech MX Revolution and it doesn't produce any visible light* either, even in a pitch black room. I think it also had a warning somewhere not to look directly into the emitter but I don't know how serious that is.

 

(*Except for the battery meter on the top, before anyone gets pedantic. Smiley)

 

My phone's camera can't see anything coming out of my mouse (but does see other IR emitters, e.g. the Wii bar).

Maddus Mattus
Maddus Mattus
Do, or do not. There is no try. - Yoda

It's my understanding that a laser emits a narrow beam of light of a particular wavelength and a LED just shines all round,..

 

Otherwise, why call it a laser and a LED?

 

I'll go check Wikipedia before you catch me off guard again Smiley

 

Edit: ahhh yes,.. a diode laser,.. Thou areth correct

Blue Ink
Blue Ink
C you

Both the Microsoft Wireless Mouse 6000 I have on the desktop and the Notebook version have a sticker stating "class 1 invisible laser product" close to where the laser is.

 

I guess it's a required label on every laser device... is there anything like that on the Arc Mouse?

 

How can it detect movement to know when to turn the light on without the light being on to detect the movement?

 

...

 

IT'S A WITCH! BURN IT!

Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Accelerometer.

Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

It detects the smooth touch of a woman's hands.

 

And mine.

Dodo
Dodo
I'm your creativity creator™ :)

Defeats the point of using a laser in the first place. Then again, how well would an accelerometer based mouse work?

Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Why does that defeat the point of a laser?

I don't think it's an accelerometer in the MX Revo at least. If I hold the mouse still but move my finger (on my other hand) under the sensor, but without touching it, the battery meter lights up to indicate it's become active again.

 

I tried again with my camera and I can just see a purple glow coming from the emitter if I point the camera at the right angle.

 

Maybe it goes into a low-power mode where it takes a snapshot often enough to see if it's moving but not often enough to track accurately, then it goes into full-power mode and takes lots of snapshots, making the accumulated light the camera sees greater.

 

I still have suspicions of witchcraft and have begun running a bath to do the ultimate test.

 

Dodo
Dodo
I'm your creativity creator™ :)

The Arc mouse is not a high precision product, right? It could be an accelerometer based mouse, no need for a laser.

http://instruct1.cit.cornell.edu/courses/ee476/FinalProjects/s2005/mouse%20webpage%20KM249_AK288/INDEX.HTM

It's got a laser since you can see it in the video above. Only question is how it knows when to turn the laser on. My guess it is always pulsing and just pulses far less often when in low-power "am I moving yet?" mode, so it's invisible to most cameras until it starts tracking movement and pulsing the laser more frequently.

 

Dodo
Dodo
I'm your creativity creator™ :)

That is what every laser mouse does, actually. Low frequency/low brightness in standby mode only waiting for a significant difference in the reflected light.

Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Yeah, but then you'd need a more advanced and more expensive accelerometer. This just needs to detect -if- it moves, not how fast and in which direction like wii motionplus, for instance.

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