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magicalclick

I really hate those XP people blah about how bad Vista is and never really give it a try. And now they are all jumped on to Win7 without giving it a try as well. They all just like, oh, someone said it. And hack, they even said Win7 is to replace Vista instead of XP, WTH. I guess it goes both way, the same ignorance trashed Vista and helped Win7.

Sad little Vista, who is basically the frontline despensible soilder. RIP, few people like me will honor your sacrifice.

Ian2
Proud to geek ..

I remember being on the MS campus and saying that I didn't think Vista was that bad - it all went silent for a while.

littleguru
<3 Seattle

Windows 7 ROCKS! ... and I am on the Microsoft campus right now. Tongue Out

fknight

In reply to littleguru

#Oct 6th @ 8:35 PM

My CDW vendor didn't know what to say when he asked me what I thought of Vista and I answered him "solid, I'll never use XP again."

It was like his brain shut down.

magicalclick

Becuase he just lost the opportutity to sell you an over stocked XP Tongue Out

ManipUni
Proving QQ for 5 years!

Vista just wasn't a "big" upgrade compared to XP (Vs. ME). It also introduced many driver issues because frankly the big hardware vendors dropped the ball. Thus people decided "Vista sucks." They continue to maintain that opinion even with most of the driver issues are fixed and the OS is at least "just as good" as Windows XP.

Everyone has decided that Windows 7 "rocks" and I'm sure coming from XP it is a big step forward. But they have to grant that Windows 7 is just Vista with even more improvements and working drivers. But since nobody really knows what is wrong with Vista I guess it was difficult to fix in 7.

TLDR: People are sheep.

magicalclick

In reply to ManipUni

#Oct 6th @ 11:52 PM

One thing I look at is XP people can no longer wait another version, so, Win7 rocks even though it is just using Vista drivers. Win7 certainly is a lot better in terms of cleaner GUI and less RAM usage, but, that doesn't mean Vista is that bad. Yeah, just some positive press and everything is good to go. It does work for Win7 this time around, but, they hardly know Vista is the reason why Win7 has no driver issues.

It annoys he that they form strong opinion becuase someone says so before they even try it. This is why I so discourage certain social gathering that brain wash those sheeps.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

I've always thought Vista was pretty good, save for the half-finished garbage (calendar) and the way Microsoft basically lied about what I was buying (dictating, voice commands and Ultimate Extras didn't work as advertised or at all). I never really had any driver issues. The OS itself was solid, yet the collective echochamber of the internet decided that it was crap and thus it would be so.

Now they decided that Windows 7 is the second coming, and I find myself on the other side of the fence. The taskbar requires a lot of getting used to while offering no real improvements, and contrary to the speed claims it ran as slow as Vista on my old P4 and on my quad core still takes 10 seconds or so to open Media Player. Still, apart from that, it's pretty much Vista with most UI annoyances ironed out, and libraries. Worth it for me, since Vista was great.

magicalclick

In reply to Bas

#Oct 7th @ 1:07 AM

I did have driver issues though. The old RC driver was good and then nVidia claimed the new driver solved a lot of issues. But, instead, it is crap compare to the RC driver. Good thing I made a PC backup on that.

LeoDavidson

XP was great in its day but it feels so old and clunky now when I go back to it for testing. Being used to Vista and now 7, I'd never want to go back to XP fulltime. People clinging on to XP are metal! Smiley

It is weird that there was a big hate bandwagon about Vista and now there's a big love bandwagon about 7, when they're not that different. 7 is better, obviously, but not so different that it should change someone from hate to love.

Another weird thing was how when Vista came out people who previously hated and slated Windows in general suddenly acted like XP was amazing/perfect and Vista had ruined everything. Those people hated XP until it became convenient to love it in order to say that Vista "dropped the ball."

Not that there weren't some legitimate complaints about Vista, especially in the first couple of months where driver support/stability was terrible, and before the network filecopy speed issue was fixed in the shell... And I know one or two people who ran into pathological performance issues with SuperFetch and/or the indexing service going ape (I had a SuperFetch issue myself on my laptop)... But that's life. Bugs happen. (Whether and how quickly they getfixed is another issue but not one that is/was unique to Vista.)

It's not like XP (or any other version of any other general-purpose OS) didn't go crazy sometimes as well. People seemed to forgive & forget all the issues XP ever had while treating any issue Vista had a personal insult to their entire family. Smiley

And another thing... Those stupid, stupid, stupid articles about how Vista was a flop because businesses weren't all going to upgrade to it immmediately. They could only have been written by people who had no memory of previous OS releases and didn't realise that businesses are slow to upgrade OS and often skip entire versions.

...I love the smell of rant in the morning!

Coder42

Vista was slooooooow, though. And having read about some of the performance "tweaks" in 7, which translate as the performance f*ups in Vista, like double memory usage for GDI+ operations, well.

I had Vista x64 running on an overclocked quad-core 8GB monster, and it was fine. But for people with a two-year-old (at the time) PC, upgrading from Windows XP, it did run a lot more slowly. Whereas Windows 7 installed on that same PC now will run faster than XP did.

The main thing they got wrong with Vista was, they over-hyped it (remember WinFS?) and under-delivered, and most of the features which would have distinguished it as a major upgrade got back-ported to XP as .NET 3.0 and 3.5.

harumscarum
out of memory

I am one of those people. At home I installed Vista then went back to XP after a few days. I installed win7 it is is perfect. I would never wish Vista on anyone.

spivonious

I used Vista as my main OS at home for almost 2 years, but I have to admit that XP is faster. It might not do everything Vista does, or be as secure as Vista is, but it's definitely a better user experience. Windows 7 got the performance back so now we have the best of both worlds. I predict that Windows 7 will be very popular.

Driver support is still a little shaky with Win 7 though. I have a wireless G PCI card that worked fine in Vista, and worked fine in the Win 7 beta, but doesn't work in the Win 7 RC. I'll find out if it works in Win 7 Retail later today when I get my Party Pack in the mail.

Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

In reply to harumscarum

#Oct 7th @ 6:29 AM

Yet the almost identical 7 is "perfect"?

giovanni
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In reply to Coder42

#Oct 7th @ 2:12 AM

Weird I never experienced any of these slowness problems with Vista: wasn't it a driver problem (after upgrading drivers on my girlfriend machine her "slowness" problems got solved as well)?

I think the real edge of Win 7 is the fact that it works well on underpowered machine (such as netbooks and older laptops), but in my experience Vista works well on most computers that are 4 years old or younger.

What is frustrating about the Vista bashing story is that it came from lots of poeple who cannot even send an email on their own (I am talking about my father who knows absolutely nothing about computers and suddenly decided to side with my Linux/Apple loving brother!).

Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

In reply to giovanni

#Oct 7th @ 7:59 AM

I got a nonsense "Windows 7 is based on XP because Vista was so bad they threw away the code." comment from my dad, no doubt based on something said by "that bloke down the pub".

The FUD is still there, but people have decided to like Win7 this time. Probably because they are installing it on old, home-made PCs and Win7 is better suited to that than Vista was.

I got Vista on a new PC and there were no problems other than when it decided that it wasn't a valid copy.

Herbie

Harlequin
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In reply to Dr Herbie

#Oct 7th @ 8:03 AM

It's not really FUD. The problem was that NVidia took 3-5 years to make stable video drivers. Vista crashed for everyone so much because of NVidia they just blamed Vista. What's the stat? 50%+ of Vista crashes are NVidia video-driver related?

Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

In reply to Harlequin

#Oct 7th @ 8:31 AM

I do find that a bit weird, becuase I got nVidia in my new Vista machine (immediately after Vista came out) and it never caused any real problems (AIC caused a screen flicker on one old driver, and that was as bad as it got).

Maybe I'm luckier than I imagein.

Herbie

giovanni
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In reply to Dr Herbie

#Oct 7th @ 8:36 AM

Maybe it is luck or maybe you do your homework better than most OEMs. My girlfriend problem was with the nVidia driver that shipped with her brand new HP: once updated she went from a 5 mins boot time to less than one minute. I don't even want to know which version of the driver they originally shipped with her machine.

LeoDavidson

In reply to Harlequin

#Oct 7th @ 8:31 AM

Did you mean years or months there? I started using Vista right after it went RTM and NVidia's drivers were a disaster then (heck, I had to find a leaked driver just to get one at all for my 8800 card, but even the eventual official releases were really buggy). I think NVidia's drivers became quite stable -- as far as graphics drivers for any OS go anyway, haha -- after a couple of months, though. 3-5, perhaps. Def not 3-5 years, though, unless you're counting time during the beta. (I'm just thinking of the RTM.)

Which reminds me of the annoying people, when Vista was still in beta, complaining about 3rd party software not working for it yet... I found it off that people expected 3rd party devs to do serious development & testing against an unfinished, unreleased OS that didn't yet have graphics & network drivers for a lot of hardware. If the hardware devs haven't got their acts together it's a bit much complaining to the software devs, IMO. (Ofc. the real problem was that the hardware devs weren't even ready in time for the retail release!)

ZippyV
Fired Up

In reply to LeoDavidson

#Oct 7th @ 9:20 AM

During the beta of Vista I send a bugreport that The Settlers 3 didn't work (I got a DirectDraw error when the menu should've shown). I tested again with the RTM and it worked. Cool

Bass
www.spreadfirefox.com/5years/

My laptop that came with Vista has only 1 GB of RAM. My experience with Vista was indeed it was slow as hell in this configuration. With all the other crap OEM pile on the OS, it was seriously unbearably slow. Like Firefox took 2 minutes to boot, and the mouse would lag. And this is the OOBE experience. Your new computer is actually slower then your old computer. Perplexed

Then I put Ubuntu on that thing, and it flies. Like a night and day difference.

But I recently put Vista on a computer with 4 GB of RAM, and it's extremely fast. So my theory is that Vista really likes RAM.

TommyCarlier
I want my scalps!

In reply to ZippyV

#Oct 7th @ 9:59 AM

ZippyV, I'm happy for you, and I'ma let you finish, but Settlers 2 is one of the best Settlers-games of all times!!!

rodneyMc
Canada

The delays in Vista's release (post Christmas holidays) certainly didn't help and during the XP to Vista change MS was getting sued by every state in the US. Not to say public image has anything to do with it but MS lost allot of trust with not only homeowners but businesses who didn't even implement Vista due to all the compatability problems and the public was well aware these driver issues with Vista. I remember running a Nvidia beta driver for the longest time on Vista. MS should almost give free copies of 7 to anyone who bought Vista.

ZippyV
Fired Up

In reply to TommyCarlier

#Oct 7th @ 10:39 AM

I didn't have a copy of that one. Sad