Java in-tray advertisement | The Coffeehouse

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

I just received this pop-up & thought it amusing:

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

I don't get it...

And btw, what's your Steam ID? Wink

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

I forgot to mention this post is content-free. I've been neglecting my Steam responsibilities. Gotta get back there soon.

Mike Dimmick

It's a piece of useless fluff from Sun.

And the popup's annoying too Wink

Seriously, though, Sun are abusing the notification area. That area is for notifying users of some change in state that they need to be made aware of, not dumping your adverts in.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

There you go. Wish I could articulated it like that.

Pango
Awww, how cute

Doesn't that just show up whenever a web page uses Java? I've never had it just 'appear' for no reason.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

I don't think I was doing anything w/ Java at the time. But if that was the case, it'd be worse than random.

shodson

You probably went to a site that loaded a Java applet in your browser. That icon is for the Java HotSpot Client virtual machine, which runs when you go to a site that has a Java applet in it.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

shodson wrote:
You probably went to a site that loaded a Java applet in your browser. That icon is for the Java HotSpot Client virtual machine, which runs when you go to a site that has a Java applet in it.

Y'see... this is why I still use the Microsoft Java VM Smiley

Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde

Microsoft wrote:

Microsoft Java Virtual Machine Support
The MSJVM will reach its end of life on December 31, 2007. Customers are encouraged to take proactive measures to stay informed about obsolete software and move away from the MSJVM in a timely fashion.

jonathanh
My mod color is red

autoruns.exe from http://www.sysinternals.com is a nice tool to track down and eliminate this type of toolbar clutter

Rossj

Beer28 wrote:
You all may not know this but tray notifications are just as easy or easier to do in X windows with gnome and kde as they are in ms windows...

Does anyone mind if I abuse Beer some?

WE KNOW. Linux can run on PPC and x86 (and fifty other hardware platforms) and has more desktop envs than you can shake a stick at with varying levels of ease of development - we don't need reminding every ten minutes.

Sorry just had to get that off my chest.

Rossj

Beer28 wrote:
Rossj wrote: Beer28 wrote:You all may not know this but tray notifications are just as easy or easier to do in X windows with gnome and kde as they are in ms windows...

Does anyone mind if I abuse Beer some?

WE KNOW. Linux can run on PPC and x86 (and fifty other hardware platforms) and has more desktop envs than you can shake a stick at with varying levels of ease of development - we don't need reminding every ten minutes.

Sorry just had to get that off my chest.

ok, now I'm mad, time for a tutorial link
http://www.gympoh.edu.sk/~lipka/2004.07.13.html

tray.c looks nice and simple, but if you think the rest of it is as easy as the C# version, you need to spend more time with .Net Smiley

Manip

<Rant> Why is it *every* single application you install has
to install some stuff other than that which it needs?

QuickTime - QTask ('Fast Load', Tray Icon)
Adobe Reader - Adobe Yahoo! Bar
MSN Messenger - MSN Bar, MSN HomePage, MSN Search Page
WinAmp - 'Demo' this, 50 day trial that...
Easy CD Creator - Napster (doesn't even ask!)
Java - Internet Explorer Addin, SysTray, Background process...
MS Office - Some fast load thingy ... Or something

The only product that hasn't done this recently is
WinRAR.

QuickTime pisses me off the most with its 'Pro' version
that allows full screenness ... I mean they annoy
thousands and thousands of users so a small handful
buy the pro edition...

And while I'm bitching about stuff... Why the mother of
god does the flash plugin NOT allow you to mute flash
video?!?!?! They clearly have a policy of giving control
to the server and not to the user... Pisses me off.

Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde

I've managed to reclaim my system tray by:

Turning off the system tray icon for everything I can (QuickTime)
Uninstalling some things because they don't let me turn off a useless system tray icon
Installing Firefox's Web Developer toolbar so I can run with Java disabled until I need it... then I have a quick easy way to enable it
Turning off the clock and using this (shameless plug)

I don't like the XP system tray "<" widget that hides most of the icons. I like to know what's in the tray at all times. Kudos to XP though for letting me turn it off. Smiley

I also moved my Start menu thing to the left edge of the screen rather than the bottom edge. This makes all the taskbar icons a fixed size, instead of the auto-width thing. I find this a little jarring when I open and close lots of things quickly. I use Alt-Tab to switch apps anyway so I don't miss the descriptive text.

EDIT: on the other hand, I run WinAmp from startup, and tell it to only show in the system tray. This gives me single-click access to music, without cluttering the Alt-Tab space. So I'm guilty of putting things in the system tray that don't have to be there, too. Smiley

Jaz
From the depths of Wales I come

i love the '<' thing, my only niggle is theres not enough wiggle space with these applications, what i'd like to see is the ability to hide some icons behind the '<' and allow others to be seen beofre the '<'

Cider
Daze-d & Confused

I think the point RossJ was getting at is there was absolutely no reason for you to mention tray icons in Linux in this thread.

Look at recent threads, there was one mentioning what Microsoft does to stop code leaks. Why did you think it necessary to religiously evangelise Linux in that thread.

Its getting to be a parody. I could start a thread called "Does anyone know a good ommlette recipe?" (guess what I had for dinner!) and you'll take over the thread saying about how "recipe programs on Linux are so much better than those on Windows" before telling us the in-detail C class files that one would use to construct a recipe program on Linux, which of course would lead to the "you couldn't do that in .Net, of course" and on and on and on.

And I bet I wouldn't get a good recipe from the thread either...

rhm

I'd mention "orthogonal posting" if I understood what that meant Smiley

Cider
Daze-d & Confused

rhm wrote:
I'd mention "orthogonal posting" if I understood what that meant

I don't know. Sounds painful though.

Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.

The XP System Tray is nice precisely because for the "<".

You can sutomize the area to always hide, or always show different icons. Smiley

Cleans it up very nicely.

jonathanh
My mod color is red

Cider wrote:
Its getting to be a parody

My theory is that Beer28 is actually a Microsoft deep-covert operative, paid to act as such a painfully stereotypical Linux advocate that he makes them all look bad...

Smiley

lars

Minh wrote:
I just received this pop-up & thought it amusing:

Hehe. Sun caught with their hands in the dirty adware jar! This is one of those things that would cause a major outrage if Microsoft did it.

It's like the MSN Messenger update installer that has a checkbox enabled by default which changes your MSIE startpage to MSN.com. Last night I downloaded and installed the latest Firefox, and noticed that there is a question if you would like to set the start page to Mozilla.org. The same thing, yet no headlines.

Tyler Brown
Bullets change governments far surer than votes.

While working as a manager at McDonalds in high school, we would have Mystery Shoppers come through. Basically undercover shoppers that would come through, order some food, and rate the service, friendliness, etc. I never liked the idea, it put a lot of stress on the employee's, and even more on the managers as we had to stress that everything be perfect.

Undercover ops should be left to CSIS.

Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde

lars wrote:

It's like the MSN Messenger update installer that has a checkbox enabled by default which changes your MSIE startpage to MSN.com. Last night I downloaded and installed the latest Firefox, and noticed that there is a question if you would like to set the start page to Mozilla.org. The same thing, yet no headlines.

(my emphasis)

Two roads diverged in a narrow wood... I don't see these as the same thing.

I frankly LIKE the fact that Sun gives you notification when the Java engine is loaded. If this notification hadn't happened, Minh would never have known that the site had an applet (presumably it was trying to hack him.)

I personally would have preferred a "do you want to run a Java applet" dialog, with an "always remember FOR THIS SITE" checkbox.

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Maurits wrote:
If this notification hadn't happened, Minh would never have known that the site had an applet (presumably it was trying to hack him.)

Wha? Java can do that? I've always secretly known it was somehow evil. Smiley