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xgamer
xgamer
Two Sides to Everything

For long we all have been hearing about MS being on of the few tech companies with large war(cash) chest on 35-45 Billon USD.

 

Now with large investments MS is making the same seems to be reducing. Even Google did not manage to come close to this amount.

 

However, as the per yesterdays Q4 result now Cash in Hands of Apple is 34 Billion Dollars.

 

Apples growth in these terms in last 4 years is amazing ... Now like MS Steve the other Steve also can buy Yahoo .. or many other companies .. Smiley)

stevo_
stevo_
Human after all

Great and all but everything is built on slander, consumer ignorance abuse and media nazíing.. once things settle down, the story of apples uprising will be.. you were the ultimate con men.

 

I wouldn't mind if apple sincearly made better products, but they don't.. they abuse the fact that you can make a half assed product, polish it visually and invest a lot on marketing to sell anything to ignorant consumers.

stevo_
stevo_
Human after all

I know I am.. I have eyes, thats all it takes.

rhm
rhm

You make as much sense as the people who go around saying that Windows is a piece of crap that crashes every 5 minutes that only came to dominate because Microsoft were so good at marketing. No such claims make sense. If things were really as bad as they, and you, say, nobody would buy them.

stevo_
stevo_
Human after all

Er not really, a customer cares about the direct benefits, they don't care to understand anything else that gives indirect benefits... apple makes products that target direct benefits.

Harlequin
Harlequin
http://twitter.c​om/TrueHarlequin

They even have commercials where the "Apple guy" says Macs don't get viruses. They say that straight out. How is that not slander?

It's exceptionally difficult to argue the case that Apple aren't favouring UI polish over actual working functionality, given that both of their last two OS releases have shipped alongside a practically zero day critical data loss bug announcment.

I thought that was a security feature!

 

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JeremyJ
JeremyJ
The pioneers would be appalled!

I guess that is true... if there is no data to steal then there is no risk. Smiley

It's exceptionally difficult to argue the case that Apple aren't favouring UI polish over actual working functionality, given that both of their last two OS releases have shipped alongside a practically zero day critical data loss bug announcment.

 

Playing devil's advocate, you could argue that Snow Leopard didn't change much in the UI and has a new threading API as one of its main features, showing that they're not putting the UI above all else. You could also point out the known data-loss bug that shipped in Windows Home Server and wasn't patched until a year later.

 

(FWIW, the Guest user thing in Snow Leopard turns out to not lose data; it just hides it. I guess that's still data loss if you don't realise the data is there and how to get it, though.)

 

More generally... I'm not a fan of Apple -- far from it -- and there are definitely cases where they put appearance above substance, lie in marketing, behave anti-competitively, release software with nasty bugs (who doesn't?) and do other dumb/annoying things. Which large, successful companies haven't done that on the way to where they are, though?

 

IMO, Apple's success, like Microsoft's, is as much to do with the ineptitude of their competitors as it is to do with anything good or bad they did themselves. Having found success/power, Apple now seem to be abusing it like Microsoft did earlier in life, which is a shame, but not unusual.

 

It's good to call Apple on their behaviour since they (like Google, for that matter) still somehow have the image of being a wonderful charity that produces things for the benefit of humanity when, really, they're just another big company hell-bent on making money and gaining market share. Those companies can still make good products, though, and are full of clever, well-meaning people who are often doing it for the love of what they produce and not for money; but to the companies all that stuff is just a side-effect -- a "neccessary good" -- on the path to making money. Smiley

 

So, yeah, what bugs me about Apple isn't so much that they're big business (or that I'm virtually forced to buy & use their products if I want a decent DAP because the rest of the market failed so badly); it's that reality-distortion field around the company that stops people seeing what they are.

LeoDavidson said:
IMO, Apple's success, like Microsoft's, is as much to do with the ineptitude of their competitors as it is to do with anything good or bad they did themselves. Having found success/power, Apple now seem to be abusing it like Microsoft did earlier in life, which is a shame, but not unusual.

 

You've pretty much hit the nail on the head there. MS was successful because Apple and IBM screwed up. Now, the shoe's on the other foot. 

 

The only thing that's different is that when MS started behaving as Apple is behaving now, I remember the outcry was much louder.

 

rhm
rhm

That's not really what I was commenting on. People can argue the toss about the aspects of who does what best all they like. What I'm saying is it should be obvious to anyone that when someone like Stevo_ comments that everything a company makes is "half-baked" and their customers buy it because they are "ignorant" and influenced purely by marketing, that they are talking crap whether they are talking about Apple or Microsoft.

exoteric
exoteric
I : Next<I>

The more fierce the competition the more aggressive investments you probably have to make - that's good signs Smiley

Bass
Bass
www.s​preadfirefox.c​om/5years/

Apple is doing well because they are an innovative company (both in marketing and technology) who recently turned the entire smartphone market on it's head with a single product. This is shortly after they turned the entire music industry on it's head with a single product.

Apple releases the iPhone --> MS releases a $15,000 table

 

Apple releases the Magic Mouse ---> MS talks multi-touch mouse prototypes.

 

There are other examples, but those two sprung to mind.

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