Posted By: sysrpl | Oct 25th @ 6:06 PM
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To be fair, some of the following rant is based on my experience on one computer. This week I will test some of the problems outlined below on other computers and determine if they are reproducible.

OMG, Windows 7 is such a piece of horse sh*t. I swear the OS is so borked beyond my ability to explain in words.

To start with, both Vista (my sister's laptop) and Windows 7 (my laptop) have horrible problems with wireless networking. We both have the same problem on two different networks (my house Linksys router, her house Netgear). Each time we visit each other's house (bringing our laptops) the other's laptop flat out refuses to work with the wireless network. We are able to connect, but the network has a limited availability icon, and is unable to browse the Internet. The *only* solution I have found to resolve this problem is to reboot the  pc, which is retarded.

 

Normally I run XP, and runs Vista. She always has had this problem when she bringz her laptop to my house. I tell her rebooting isn't the proper way to fix this problem, but guess what? It's impossible (as far as I can tell) to fix it any other way. It's worth noting that I've never had this problem with XP. While visiting her this weekend (with my Windows 7 laptop in tote) the situation was reversed. I could not connect to her wireless. But once I rebooted the wireless worked fine. Ridiculous!

 

Today, when I got home, I and tried to connect to my network. Guess what happened? I received the "limited availability" problem once again. I decide to investigate further, and proceed to become completely annoyed to sh*t with Microsoft redesign of everything configuration related.

Allow me to explain this annoyance, breaking it two parts. First, how things used to be (in XP) and then how life is screwed up in Windows 7 (and probably Vista too ... I didn't use it enough to know what has changed between the two).

How XP does it:

Control Panel has a bunch of icons (once you turned off that annoying common tasks view), and each icon either led to a folder (administrative tools, fonts, network connections), or opened an applet. An applet was almost always (unless it was a third party applet or the gayness that was security center) was a dialog with ok and cancel buttons, and optionally property pages and an apply button. -- Simple, direct, nuff said


How Windows 7 does it:

Sometimes you get old style applets, other times you get something which mimics a rich web page like document view  (with bread crumbs), and even other get new windows popups, which mimic web page like documents, and a lot of time sh*t just isn't accessible except through text links in a bar docked to the left. [1. see note at the bottom about icons]


What do I mean by some stuff isn't accessible? I mean Windows 7 bread breadcrumb bar tells me some control panel screen I am in, let's call it Y, is under path X. I click path X to go up one level, then click the chevron next to X hoping to see Y in the drop down list of X's sub items. But us what? X is not there. No that would be too logical, to have Y appear in that list. Scanning the entire screen presented by X I see no way to get back to Y. There is no way to get to Y from X even though Y first appeared as a child of X.

Now I know what you are thinking. Hit back to get to Y. Yes that works, but that's not the point. The point is how do I get to Y ever again? To that you might say same way you got to it in the first place. And how did I get to Y in the first place? Well through a link on a Microsoft property page in a Dialog launched from button attached to another web type applet which was launched from a popup list in the system tray of course!

Summary: WTF Microsoft?

And then is a weird behavior with those text labels in the web mimic's applets. This I need to verify, because it is totally borked and I have to believe it was just a weird glitch, but I'll mention it because maybe someone else has experienced this behavior.

The behavior: Sometimes clicking the text links on the left side of type web type control panel applets leads to the wrong place. What do I mean? I mean the text says one thing, clicking it goes somewhere entirely wrong. For example I clicked manage wireless networks and it brings my to the power settings applet. This has happened a few times, and I was able to reproduce it, but it doesn't happen every time. Needs further confirmation.

So then, I reboot my laptop only find my wireless Internet runs dog slow. I change some of my router settings (make it G only) and retry my laptop connection speed. Now for whatever reason I can't get to websites, but can ping google.com and microsoft.com. I add and remove my wireless (where did the repair option go? WTF). I get a limited availability icon again. I think, "Okay let’s have take up Microsoft's little offer to diagnose the problem." The diagnosis takes about 2 minutes and tells me how to solve my problem by describing what an ethernet cable looks like and recommending that I plug that cable into my PC. Great work there Microsoft! Plugging an ethernet cable into my computer to fix my wireless connection, why didn't I think of that? /sarcasm

I could go on for a few pages, but you get the idea. I'm not happy with Windows 7.

Notes:

1. Icons

Who the f*ck at Microsoft decided icons were bad and should be removed where ever possible? What do I mean by removed? The start menu icons for computer, control panel, documents are gone. They are just text in Windows 7. Explorer removed to ability to add or remove icons from the toolbar, and the any toolbar buttons are now just text. Gone are the up, copy, cut, paste, properties, full screen and more icons. In the control panel, the links on the "always visible left panel" are text only, not icons.

I prefer to look at icons glyphs with a distinctive (cartoonish) silhouette that tells me at a glance what something does without having to read. And so does everyone else. This is why our road signs are red octagons, red triangles, yellow diamonds, and yellow pentagons. Because when people are busy and want to keep their minds on a task (like not running someone over, or trying to get some work done), we don't want to stop to read a bunch of words for a common notification we might expect at time X (where X is when your are approaching a four way intersection).

I don't want a big wordy dialog taking up my entire field of view when copying a file (ahem, do you want to copy and overwrite this file, or copy and backup the old file, or do not copy at all? oh and btw, for how many conflicts would you like to handle with you answer? this one or the next 563? barf!)

I'd also like to write about two or three paragraphs about the Microsoft’s craptastic "realistic" icons ... but I won’t.

Summary for the tl;dr crowd: he doesn't like the breadcrumb control, wireless networking with Windows 7 is a pain in the ass, and then there was a rant about icons.

MasterPie
MasterPie
I'm white because I smelt an onion

You forgot the bit about him testing this on one computer.

blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Well I've seen the wireless thing with my router. Using the intel drivers for my card is completly screwed 20 minutes after connection when the WPA2 key recycles, it just doesn't reconnect. But then XP has the same problem. I found uninstalling the intel drivers and reverted to the default Win7 ones fixed it though

re Control Panel, I always found XP's frustrating to navigate or find anything in.  Vista and W7 may also be frustrating to navigate -- I've never really tried so I don't know -- but it doesn't matter anymore since I only ever use the search box anyway.  the breadcrumb chevron behavior you described is weird though.

 

re wireless, I dunno about 7 but Vista had a DHCP problem with some routers, IIRC it required that routers support the broadcast flag or something, which not all do.  this resulted in symptoms similar to what you described.  you can fix it  (if it's the same problem) by telling it to get new TCP/IP settings or there's a registry tweak that can fix it permanently.

 

edit: apparently this was fixed in 7, so I guess your problem it must be something different.

SlackmasterK
SlackmasterK
I write my OWN blogging engines

ManipUni
ManipUni
Proving QQ for 5 years!

Both laptops? Are they both made by the same company? I just ask since I cannot reproduce what you're talking about and am wondering if they're both using a horrible driver?

Bas
Bas
It finds lightbulbs.

Also the 7 is a LIE!

Ooh. Drama.

 

Just imagine how many more people would have taken the time to read his complaint and think about helping him, if he'd just asked for help.

stevo_
stevo_
Human after all

Please sir, keep your crazed human emotions to yourself..

I've got to agree about the wireless changes. One of my computers (cheapo Rosewill N adapter) connects perfectly every time. The other computer (netgear n adapter) refuses to get internet access coming out of sleep. Local access is fine. I try the Win7 troubleshooter and it tells me to reset my router or plug in an ethernet cable. Other computers in the house connect fine, so I know it's not the router. I did find the repair option somewhere (but it's not one-click like it was in XP and Vista) but that doesn't fix it. The only solution is to go into network connections (another screen that they have made more difficult to get to) and manually disable and enable the adapter. It works fine after that until the next sleep.

 

I like a lot of things about Windows 7, but why does Microsoft feel the need to move everything around each version? There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason about it.

blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo

I really hate to suggest this but .... have you tried switching from WPA2 to WPA or even WEP?

Dr Herbie
Dr Herbie
Horses for courses

Perhaps you could play with the new Powershell version in Win7 to script the disable\enable commands and create a clickable icon for a shortcut ... http://forums.techarena.in/software-development/1118216.htm

 

Just an idle thought.

 

Herbie

 

Honestly, I forget. It's easier for me to just unplug the USB adapter and plug it back in.

 

I think once I got to something resembling the old network connections window, and then right-clicking the adapter icon gave me a repair option. Or maybe it was in device manager?

 

In any case, much harder to find than it was before.

So how long have you been a Mac fan boy?

CKurt
CKurt
while( ( !succeed=try() ) ) { }
  1. Click Icon in sytem tray
  2. Open Network Center
  3. Manage Adapter Settings on the left
  4. Right click adapter and "Diagnose"

Not that hard to find?

Blue Ink
Blue Ink
C you

You can even just right-click on the system tray icon, and select "Troubleshoot problems". You don't get to choose the network adapter, but that's usually enough.

Sabot
Sabot
My name is Dave Oliver. I'm a Technical Architect.

Ok I had a similar issue getting my Win7 Beta machine connecting to my Netgear router and reconnecting after returning from sleep. I ditched the Netgear drivers and went Native and it worked fine.

 

With my new Belkin (The Netgear died!) and Win7 RTM it connects everytime and worked just fine from install.

 

My laptop is an aging Tosh Satellite.

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