WTH, MS? That's just not nice

Posted By: Minh | Oct 31st @ 10:29 AM
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#Oct 31st @ 10:43 AM
W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Amusing.

 

I think it's getting the application's name from the titlebar text, and you might have a site open called "Crappy Software - Mozilla Firefox" and that's why.

#Oct 31st @ 11:16 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

It's true.. hehe... Maybe I shoulda browse for a page titled "Best browser"

#Oct 31st @ 3:54 PM
LeoDavidson
LeoDavidson

Is that faked? (Why isn't Firefox's caption line-wrapped like the others?)

 

#Oct 31st @ 10:53 PM
Larry Osterman
Larry Osterman

Yeah, it's been 'shopped.  I just verified on my Win7 machine.

 

#Nov 1st @ 1:09 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Actually it hasn't been shopped. I was browsing at this site http://crappysoftware.home.comcast.net/~crappysoftware/

 

I don't know why the title didn't wrap

#Nov 1st @ 2:26 AM
Dodo
Dodo
I'm your creativity creator™ :)

Interestingly, if you open up the site in IE, IE won't show in the volume mixer. Big Smile

#Nov 1st @ 4:01 AM
blowdart
blowdart
Peek-a-boo

Firefox doesn't show in my volume mixer either

#Nov 1st @ 4:49 AM
Dexter
Dexter

AFAIK an application shows up in the volume mixer only if it plays something.

#Nov 1st @ 4:53 AM
dentaku
dentaku

The browser would have to be making some kind of sound to show up in the volume mixer. I think

#Nov 1st @ 10:15 PM
Larry Osterman
Larry Osterman

Dexter: Yup.

 

Minh: On my machine (tested on two different machines), FireFox's name showed up on the 2nd line.  Anythign unusual about your machine's config?

 

#Nov 2nd @ 5:41 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

I'm not sure about unusual config... I am running build 7100

 

PS.

Interestingly enough, it doesn't seem to be doing that today

 

 

PS2.

Note the 2 identical IEs

#Nov 2nd @ 8:38 AM
W3bbo
W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

x86 and x64 editions of IE?

#Nov 2nd @ 10:00 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Nah... 2 instances of 32-bit IE... just no page title... so you can't tell who you're turning volume on

#Nov 2nd @ 6:02 PM
La Bomba
La Bomba
Boing!

hah!

 

put down the bong and step away from the machine Minh!

 

/C

#Nov 3rd @ 12:17 AM
Ion Todirel
Ion Todirel
buuu

AFAIK the text for each app (except the first one which is actually (IMMDevice) IPropertyStore.GetValue with the PKEY_DeviceInterface_FriendlyName or some close variant) is the main window title.

 

A typical user would identify the application by icon and a particular instance by title (I have a working prototype which also shows the PID, part of a larger app's diagnostics page). For IE is empty probably because you don't have anything open there. That also reminds me that we should probably use a list view to display the apps.

#Nov 3rd @ 2:04 AM
Dovella
Dovella
Go Microsoft !!!!!!!

#Nov 3rd @ 2:14 AM
Sven Groot
Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

Which proves what? We'd already established that Firefox won't show up in there unless it's making sound.

#Nov 3rd @ 4:50 AM
LeoDavidson
LeoDavidson

IE seems to override the default titlebar stuff and explicitly set its volume control name to "Internet Explorer", so if you have two IE instances making sounds you can't use the page title to distinguish them.

 

 

#Nov 3rd @ 7:16 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

I think it's more a case of FireFox update its window caption for the volume mixer... You can tell when you navigate to a new page, the text immediately updates.

 

I'm sure "Internet Explorer" comes from IEXPLORE.EXE by default

#Nov 3rd @ 7:17 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

put down the bong and step away from the machine Minh!

 

Why do you hate bongs?

#Nov 3rd @ 7:32 AM
LeoDavidson
LeoDavidson

Firefox and IE has always updated their window captions. It's not something they do for the volume mixer. (They did it before Windows had per-app volume mixing.)

 

You get the window caption, including updates, in the volume mixer for free unless you do something to override it.

 

Internet Explorer seems to be overriding the default behaviour so that it always displays "Internet Explorer" instead of the window caption. Not sure if it's on purpose (e.g. due to worries that a web page may have a confusing caption, perhaps) or by accident (perhaps due to the way Flash and/or tabs are hosted within IE or something; e.g. the process producing the sound may not be the same one that owns the top-level window).

 

#Nov 3rd @ 7:48 AM
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

Yeah, but would updating the caption from the volume mixer a responsibility of the mixer... or of the apps... I would think... of the apps. Since checking for new window caption updates by the mixer would be wastful since captions rarely change.

 

I'm guessing a new API that the apps must call when they have updates... which makes it funny that FireFox does it, but not IE.

#Nov 3rd @ 8:57 AM
LeoDavidson
LeoDavidson

It's the volume mixer's responsibility. It happens on apps written & compiled before the new mixer existed.

#Nov 3rd @ 11:14 AM
Ion Todirel
Ion Todirel
buuu

hmmm, another reason for it may be the "one process per tab" (assuming that's IE8) model, the volume mixer gets the PID for the active session (which is that tab process). But as this is a "children" of the main IE process and it's used for rendering and stuff, it doesn't have a window. So you can't get the window title text for it, and the volume mixer doesn't go up to the "parent" process to find the window title.

 

I may be wrong thought, I'll let Larry to confirm

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