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(This is an edit of an email I just wrote to someone. Thought I'd share it here as well, if just to say, "please don't lump all of us in with this stupidness.")

 

http://www.sophos.com/blogs/chetw/g/2009/11/03/windows-7-vulnerable

 

^ What a load of rubbish. I cringed when I read it.

 

Sophos should've just said, "Hey, BTW, just a reminder, but you still need anti-virus with Windows 7. You shouldn't be surprised by this. Please consider our product." Instead they're acting as if someone promised Windows 7 would make malware impossible. (WTF did they get that idea from?)

 

It's also frustrating to read reports from people saying Sophos showed malware "bypassing UAC" when it's just avoiding the requirement for admin access, something quite different.

 

The whole UAC debate is frustrating. Whichever position you find yourself in it seems you end up arguing with people in every direction. There aren't sides to the debate; it's a mad free-for-all that spawns little useful discussion. So much time & energy is spent arguing about stupid stuff -- like the notion that UAC is supposed to stop code from running at all rather than, at best, limit what running code can do -- that there's no room left to discuss the more subtle and interesting points. By the time they're raised everyone's too tired and annoyed to do them justice. It's a shame.

 

It's a strange debate indeed where those who, on the face of it, are pushing in the same direction frustrate me far more than anyone pushing the other way.

 

Music, religion, politics... I think UAC needs to be added to that list! Smiley

 

This just goes to show how much we need an object-capability security system.  So we can have new stupid stuff to waste time arguing about.  

Stop the presses! AV-free Windows 7 can still get infected!!!

 

Maybe they should have installed Security Essentials first. At least then it would be fair, since that product is free.

section31
section31
OutOfCoffeeException

Win 7 with AV can get infected as well! What now?

I never used AV since Vista. Maybe it is as it always is - a pabcak

 

ManipUni
ManipUni
Proving QQ for 5 years!

Doesn't this just show that back-compatibility is really good on Windows 7?

section31
section31
OutOfCoffeeException

Oh yes I can see this but the risk to get an infected system depends on 3 factors. The self protection of the system, the user and the bad guys in the outer world. So we can not do anything about the bad guys. Sure we can install AV to improve the self protection. But the user factor outperforms everything else. I saw systems with AV's tons of AntiSpyware/ AntiAdware and what ever. Guess what, those systems are most likely infected. Just because of the "Click Ok" mentality.

Yupe, It is always vulnerable when you can click "Ignore AV Warnings and Just Run the God D... Virus Already" button. As long as you give the user the right to run virus, they will, so they will get infected easily.

 

 

More self-serving bilge from the virus companies. Never believe what they say about any platform.

 

Still, try not to hold it against him; it is his job.

 

elmer
elmer
I'm on my very last life.

In related news: Sophos announced their researchers had discovered that having a blank password on the administrator account leaves Windows-7 vulnerable to attack.

section31
section31
OutOfCoffeeException

Wow, how much money did they spend to come to this suprising conclusion.

stevo_
stevo_
Human after all

This just in, door locks and alarms vulnerable to user error, it is recommended that you buy more locks and alarms.. which clearly solves the vulnerability.

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