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MisterDonut
The Disco Godfather

scobleizer wrote:

Everytime I try to launch ink, I get redirected to the home page. And I'm on Windows Tablet 2005!

Rossj

I wonder what caused this sudden push to get a beta of Longhron out of the door - the cynic in me is wondering ( I didn't think the beta was due until May).

Arran

Rossj wrote:
I wonder what caused this sudden push to get a beta of Longhron out of the door - the cynic in me is wondering ( I didn't think the beta was due until May).

Isnt it WinHEC?

AndyC

Rossj wrote:
I wonder what caused this sudden push to get a beta of Longhron out of the door - the cynic in me is wondering ( I didn't think the beta was due until May).

The release of the new Mac OS service pack? Er, I mean, radically enhanced new operating system that is definately worth shelling out another £100 on? Wink

eagle

Maybe they are trying to grab a tiger by the tail?

Windows XP Professional x64 Edition will be launched at WinHEC.

rhm

This inking support is cool, but I wish it only worked with digitizers. People trying to draw/write using the mouse, it looks sh...... not good. Smiley

KosherCoder

MisterDonut wrote:
Everytime I try to launch ink, I get redirected to the home page. And I'm on Windows Tablet 2005!

Yep, same here. On 2 XP Pro machines, and my win03 box.

Rossj

AndyC wrote:
The release of the new Mac OS service pack? Er, I mean, radically enhanced new operating system that is definately worth shelling out another £100 on?

Whaddaya mean this is my excuse to buy a new machine, not a new OS Smiley

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

AndyC wrote:
The release of the new Mac OS service pack? Er, I mean, radically enhanced new operating system that is definately worth shelling out another £100 on?

Less than that.... OSX retails for $99, which is around £60. Considering all the power behind the OS, it puts Windows XP Home which sells for £110 to shame.

Plus, owners of previous OSX editions get a rebate... AFAIK it was between £15 and £20.

So for £40, I wouldn't say it was particually a bad deal.

Disclaimer: I haven't researched UK retail prices, this just based on converting US retail prices, and we all know how the MPAA/RIAA/ELSPA like to rip us off just because "we're used to it"

Charles
Welcome Change

MisterDonut wrote:

scobleizer wrote:

Everytime I try to launch ink, I get redirected to the home page. And I'm on Windows Tablet 2005!

Are you logged into Passport and have .NET 2.0 installed?

C

Charles
Welcome Change

KosherCoder wrote:

MisterDonut wrote: Everytime I try to launch ink, I get redirected to the home page. And I'm on Windows Tablet 2005!

Yep, same here. On 2 XP Pro machines, and my win03 box.

.NET 2.0? Logged into to Passport? Active X enabled? Please provide as much system config info as possible when posting bug reports.

Thanks!

C

AndyC

W3bbo wrote:

So for £40, I wouldn't say it was particually a bad deal.

It's £89 in the UK. And, as far as I'm aware, Any rebates are only available if you bought X.3 in the last couple of months.

Would you have happily paid £90 for XP Service Pack 2? The difference between OS X.3 and X.4 is much less dramatic than XP SP1 to SP2.

And it's not the first time either, Mac owners have been expected to buy 4 releases of the OS during the lifetime of XP. I think Apple are going to find they're pushing their customer loyalty a bit far if they keep trying this.

Rossj

AndyC wrote:
W3bbo wrote:

So for £40, I wouldn't say it was particually a bad deal.

It's £89 in the UK. And, as far as I'm aware, Any rebates are only available if you bought X.3 in the last couple of months.

Actually there are vouchers in the x.3 box when I bought mine last year, And look what you get for your money... which sort of negates the 'minor update' theory.

irascian
Irascible Ian

Having bought a Mini-Mac with all the trimmings barely a month ago, I'm certainly not impressed with having to pay close to £100 for an upgrade to the operating system only a few weeks after making a pretty major purchase.

No rebate or voucher in the box for me.

That being said I concur that the Longhorn hype seems to have revved up several notches literally the same day that Tiger availability was announced. I guess that's marketing for ya.

MisterDonut
The Disco Godfather

Charles wrote:

KosherCoder wrote:

MisterDonut wrote: Everytime I try to launch ink, I get redirected to the home page. And I'm on Windows Tablet 2005!

Yep, same here. On 2 XP Pro machines, and my win03 box.

.NET 2.0? Logged into to Passport? Active X enabled? Please provide as much system config info as possible when posting bug reports.

Thanks!

C

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I didn't know if this was an actual forum for bug reports or not.

But, I get this error when running on a 1.1 framework, Windows Tablet 2005 edition. Not logged in via Passport.

Stitch 2.0
I can feel my brain cells commiting hara-kiri.

As far as I remember from this thread, you have to be logged in via passport.

Correct me if I'm wrong!

Michael Griffiths
Fatalism.

Rossj wrote:
And look what you get for your money... which sort of negates the 'minor update' theory.

I was alot more impressed with Tiger before I read that "New feature" list.

Some of those things should have been default a long time ago. And I can't believe some of the seriously minor things they describe as "new feature". Import contact from an external file? WTF? Should have been there years ago. View the security certificate of a site with a few clicks? Yeah, should have been there a long time ago. Auto ISP setupc for mail account? Uh-huh. Burn any CD on your folder through the OS? Yeah...

I don't think that's worth being called a "major update". Unless there's a lot more that wasn't mentioned under the hood, SP2 was a far bigger update for WinXP.

mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.

Michael Griffiths wrote:
I was alot more impressed with Tiger before I read that "New feature" list.

Some of those things should have been default a long time ago. And I can't believe some of the seriously minor things they describe as "new feature". Import contact from an external file? WTF? Should have been there years ago. View the security certificate of a site with a few clicks? Yeah, should have been there a long time ago. Auto ISP setupc for mail account? Uh-huh. Burn any CD on your folder through the OS? Yeah...

Stealthed Firewall... Tongue Out

mVPstar

androidi

Michael Griffiths wrote:

Rossj wrote: And look what you get for your money... which sort of negates the 'minor update' theory.

I was alot more impressed with Tiger before I read that "New feature" list.

Some of those things should have been default a long time ago. ...

Well everyone probably has their own view on this. Mine is that XP SP2 gave 3 things.

Security ("should have been default a long time ago"),

Firewall (well this was already in so one could even say this wasn't new, besides most external DSL boxes came with one at the time of SP2 release),

IE enchantments. Hardly a big feature from the viewpoint that SP2 was OS service pack, not a browser update.

So certainly there are other things SP2 gave, but if you asked thousand non-tech people what those are.. I love SP2, but now lets see what new the OS X gives that I would care about and what the average joe might also notice.

Find and related improvements,

Tighter integration of media/image processing,

H.264 - Compared to what we have in XP SP2 I think someone will notice. MS likes its own but lost a long time ago to Real and mpeg4 variants - quite incredible given they do not come by default in Windows. H.264 will take over in 2 years in the MP4 arena.

I acknowledge that Windows has something similar to these - but given that my experience with the Windows equivalents has been disappointing, you could say that they are like the original Windows "firewall" - it's there but, in XP SP2 its REALLY there - you know.

Rossj

Michael Griffiths wrote:

Burn any CD on your folder through the OS?

Are you talking about the folders that you create on your desktop as a burnable folder and then burn with one click? As I remember from XP (from yesterday Wink

) I have to keep dragging things onto the CD each time I want to burn stuff even if they are spread all over my hard drive.

Or are you talking about the burn CDs from any supported file system. Seeing as FTP is a supported fs I would guess from FTP too !

Michael Griffiths wrote:
SP2 was a far bigger update for WinXP.

Michael, I really really do rate 99% of your posts. This one however is bull.

AndyC

Rossj wrote:

Are you talking about the folders that you create on your desktop as a burnable folder and then burn with one click? As I remember from XP (from yesterday ) I have to keep dragging things onto the CD each time I want to burn stuff even if they are spread all over my hard drive.

Right-click folder, Send To CDRW. No dragging. Even if they're scattered over the four corners of your hard drive.

Rossj wrote:

Or are you talking about the burn CDs from any supported file system. Seeing as FTP is a supported fs I would guess from FTP too !

Granted, XP won't do that but would you really want to? Burn-proof technology might be good but I don't think it'll survive a dropped ftp connection. Smiley

Rossj wrote:

Michael Griffiths wrote: SP2 was a far bigger update for WinXP.

Michael, I really really do rate 99% of your posts. This one however is bull.

Really? When the list of new features includes no less than four variations on a calculator? When even more of them (Enhanced Dock Menu, Preview Grab, About this Mac etc) amount to little more than cosmetic tweaking of utility tools? When around 20 of those new features are Spotlight?

There are only a few significant changes; Spotlight, Dashboard and Automater. All three of which aren't really the OS but little companion tools. Windows users have most of the functionality of Spotlight and Dashboard already as free downloads (GDS/MSN DS and Konfabulator) which makes them a hard selling point. Automater looks rather cool but I'm not overly convinced that it is something the man on the street wants.

Unless you had a crying need for one of the little changes like NTLMv2 support or ACL security, or you're still running 10.2 or less then it's difficult to see how you can justify spending £90 on it.

It's becoming ridiculous. Apple seriously need to reconsider there release rates and produce updates much less frequently. I know we're seriously considering ditching Macs because the cost of keeping them up to date is extortionate. If they ever want to move beyond niche markets they've got to stop depending on their super-loyal fan base and think about what customers really want.

Rossj

AndyC wrote:
It's becoming ridiculous. Apple seriously need to reconsider there release rates and produce updates much less frequently. I know we're seriously considering ditching Macs because the cost of keeping them up to date is extortionate. If they ever want to move beyond niche markets they've got to stop depending on their super-loyal fan base and think about what customers really want.

Apple have already said they intend to slow down the speed of releases, but to be honest I'd rather have the increased performance that I seem to get out of my old hardware with every release. I take your other arguments on board, but my complaint was with people saying 'it is now starting to catch up with XP' when is certainly appears from here that OSX is a much better solution for home users, at least that is my experience but then I've only created 3 switchers - all long time Windows users, no major complaints so far.

End of the month we'll know exactly how minor the changes are or are not. But while we are talking about what customers really want - what are your thoughts on Longhorn, is there anything there that you think customers really want?

Oh and whilst Spotlight isn't an OS change it is a file system change.

AndyC

Well, I'll believe Apple on that when I see it. Smiley

I'd agree that describing it as 'catching up with XP' is going a bit far, though there certainly are features that Windows has had for years that OSX is only just getting - and likewise for the other way around. I do like OSX, but if Apple keep trying to sell it with predominantly cosmetic changes they aren't going to keep the customers they've gained.

There are things (supposedly) in Longhorn that I know customers want. Such as support for high-DPI screens in a less stupid way than the current "Large fonts" setting or the chance to run a more secure setup out of the box without the hassle of everything breaking. Can Microsoft deliver on this? I don't know, but they've had 5 years since XP and I'm more convinced that'll produce something worth £90 than 12 months at Apple.

Only time can tell. At least it keeps things interesting!