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CRPietschmann
Chris Pietschmann

http://msdn.microsoft.com/getthebetas/

rhm

Pah, not until next week for Europe.

This is revenge for Airbus kicking Boeing's butt isn't it? Smiley

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

Can someone explain the justification for the delay?

Please don't tell me the software industry is turning into the MPA (not the MPAA) by staggering software releases.

Hey... I'm just glad Valve released HL2 at 8:30GMT everywhere in the world... why can't everyone else do the same thing?

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

W3bbo wrote:
Can someone explain the justification for the delay?

Please don't tell me the software industry is turning into the MPA (not the MPAA) by staggering software releases.

Hey... I'm just glad Valve released HL2 at 8:30GMT everywhere in the world... why can't everyone else do the same thing?

For the same reason it was stupd for Valve to release HL2 everywhere at the same time. My guess is that you were able to play it immediately. Most of the rest of the world was not. They are staggering the release because they want to provide service we can all have access to.

I do, also, want to point out that you are, again, bitching about something that is being given to you for free.

Manip

No, he is bitching about yet another bias move towards American's by Microsoft.

Raj Tripathi
Respect My Authority!

rhm wrote:
Pah, not until next week for Europe.

I am downloading it wright now from the Sql Server 2005 Beta place.

And I'm in Europe Smiley

rhm

Downloading what, SQL Server beta? That's not what we're talking about here.

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

rhm wrote:
Downloading what, SQL Server beta? That's not what we're talking about here.

He said the "Beta Place", I'm guessing MS put a copy of VS2005 on that site and is freely available

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

ScanIAm wrote:
My guess is that you were able to play it immediately. Most of the rest of the world was not. They are staggering the release because they want to provide service we can all have access

a) I actually took the day off to play the game Wink

b) How does staggering help? If it's released all at once, then everyone gets it at the same time. If it's staggered... how does this help anyone?

My understanding of the VS2005 stagging is for the shipment to reach Europe, which is fair enough... but if it's anything like the MPA and WPS, as a way of dry-wringing the market to soak up as many customers as possible, then add another reason to switch to Borland.

figuerres
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W3bbo wrote:
Can someone explain the justification for the delay?

Please don't tell me the software industry is turning into the MPA (not the MPAA) by staggering software releases.

Hey... I'm just glad Valve released HL2 at 8:30GMT everywhere in the world... why can't everyone else do the same thing?

simple: Logistics

they have to print stuff in the different languages, brun the disks, have folks assemble packages and a bunch of other stuff.... and they have to then ship the orders. even in the usa the web site says
"( 2-4 weeks for delivery)"

rhm

W3bbo wrote:
rhm wrote:Downloading what, SQL Server beta? That's not what we're talking about here.

He said the "Beta Place", I'm guessing MS put a copy of VS2005 on that site and is freely available

If it's publically available he should post a URL so we can all have a go. If it's not then it's not relevant.

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

Not to get too offtopic, but HL2 rocked!

Anywhoo, Manip and W3bbo, you may be right. I just checked the EULA and apparently there is a line that reads:

"Shhhhh, don't tell the UK about this, we want to screw them over and make them wait a week! Thanks, Billy G."

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

ScanIAm wrote:
Not to get too offtopic, but HL2 rocked!

Whilst being a great engine and having a good story...it was missing one crucial element: "open"

In all the levels, you could tell there was only one predefined path through them. I want my levels to be freeform and let me go where I want... I don't want there to only be one door in a long corridor that's openable. I don't want unbreakable windows going outside, I don't want worldspawn surfaces below every drop more than 3 meters long.

This is why I liked Quake 2 and Postal2, they were all "open-ended"

Minh
WOOH! WOOH!

CRPietschmann wrote:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/getthebetas/

Weeeee!!!!

Manip

W3bbo wrote:

ScanIAm wrote: Not to get too offtopic, but HL2 rocked!

Whilst being a great engine and having a good story...it was missing one crucial element: "open"

In all the levels, you could tell there was only one predefined path through them. I want my levels to be freeform and let me go where I want... I don't want there to only be one door in a long corridor that's openable. I don't want unbreakable windows going outside, I don't want worldspawn surfaces below every drop more than 3 meters long.

This is why I liked Quake 2 and Postal2, they were all "open-ended"

I agree that it wasn't open... But then again I didn't find Quake 2 open either. They are all based on go from point A to point B.

But that said I found the story truly immersive and didn't find myself getting at all bored (a problem for me in many games). I don't care much for the ending. But loved some of the bits in the game (like the ant lions, jail - gun defence etc) so I feel my money was well spent and intend on buying the addon when it is out.

The only truly open games are multiplayer like battlefield 1942 where you just need to complete a very large mission and you pick the tools and route to do it. No single player game (except A.I. in the above scenario) has ever been that open. And frankly I don't see how a single player game that wants to tell a story could be. How can you get across the story if the person is doing what they want?

barogers
Come On Fhqwhgads!

I wouldn't get too excited... All that site lets you do is sign up for a DVD to be shipped to you. The current wait time is 2-4 weeks.

It will let you get the bits, just not instant gratification.

jamie

ya as i just found out - damn huge form

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address 3 sdgfsdgfds
etc

Manip

ScanIAm wrote:
I do, also, want to point out that you are, again, bitching about something that is being given to you for free.

Oh, by the way... Beta 1 was *NOT* free. I had to pay like £6 to get it.

Steve411

Beta 2 coming my way..... soooon! Smiley

Tyler Brown
Bullets change governments far surer than votes.

Bart Simpson wrote:
I've got my ticket!!

I ordered my copy a couple of days ago, should be at home by the time I move back Smiley

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

Manip wrote:

ScanIAm wrote: I do, also, want to point out that you are, again, bitching about something that is being given to you for free.

Oh, by the way... Beta 1 was *NOT* free. I had to pay like £6 to get it.

OK, and could that possibly have been shipping fees? You do live on an island, don't you.

Manip

ScanIAm wrote:

Manip wrote:

ScanIAm wrote: I do, also, want to point out that you are, again, bitching about something that is being given to you for free.

Oh, by the way... Beta 1 was *NOT* free. I had to pay like £6 to get it.

OK, and could that possibly have been shipping fees? You do live on an island, don't you.

So do you.

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

You are absolutely correct, and you also made me choke on my drink. Very funny Smiley

zombie

Its a 3.75 GB download from MSDN and its already throttled. Even if I could order the DVD now, I doubt that I would have the patience to install it.

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