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LarryOsterman

Manip wrote:

hahaha lmao, that has to be the BEST Microsoft story EVER!

I can just imagine being a network admin at the time... Geeze...

It was NOT pretty.

I wasn't on the team that worked on it but I know most of them (I worked on the store so I got to see their pain).

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

LarryOsterman wrote:

Manip wrote:

hahaha lmao, that has to be the BEST Microsoft story EVER!

I can just imagine being a network admin at the time... Geeze...

It was NOT pretty.

I've seen similar things happen. After we'd just set the Exchange server up on Obs De Wilgen (the primary school where my father works), we hadn't yet configured mailbox quota. It didn't take the kids long to figure out they could send mail to "Everyone", and some of them started doing it with 100MB movies. 100MB * 500 mailboxes, you do the math. Wink

We quickly sized everybody down to 10MB mailboxes, and bulk mailing the entire school bears the penalty of death now.

And not exchange related: De Leidsche Flesch is the study association for most of the science studies at Leiden University. They regularly send out e-mail to all their members, and at least once a year there's somebody who forgets to use the BCC field when doing that. At which point there's always several people who use reply all to inform them of what bad practice that is, or to thank them for all the e-mail addresses, or to ask them not to do it again. And then there's people using reply all to ask other people if they could please stop sending mails around using reply all. This usually goes on for a few dozen messages. Okay, it's not the same magnitude as Bedlam DL3, but still annoying. Tongue Out

BruceMorgan

LarryOsterman wrote:
It was NOT pretty.

I'm glad you told that story. It's actually why I chuckle whenever I send "Me too" in response. Only MS old timers get it. I'm not nearly as an oldtimer as Larry, but I've been ten years at Microsoft.

Larry didn't mention in his story all the people who said "I'll go figure this out", or "You guys can stop replying all, I'm on top of getting this solved" and so on. Some of the those are printed on the t-shirt as well.

BTW, one of my team members stil has the Bedlam DL3 t-shirt. He wears it every once in a while.....

Posted from IE7 on Longhorn. In a tab, no less.

MSRoadWarrior

W3bbo wrote:

reinux wrote: I'm actually really happy with tray grouping. I know most people don't like it and I totally see why, but I don't know if tabs would be a selling point for me at all.

But yeah, something completely new would be cool.

Tray grouping is a good concept and can work well at high resolutions.

But try using it when the following criteria are met:

a) Screen reso of 800x600
b) You're using IE (no tabs)
c) You're doing some research, thus you have many windows open

Flipping between 7 or 8 IE windows at such low resolution and with grouping is a right pain.

If you're using Windows XP something that I use when I have a large number of windows open is the Alt-Tab Powertoy that I've found helps a bit in these situations.

footballism
Another Paradigm Shift!

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LarryOsterman

BruceMorgan wrote:

LarryOsterman wrote: It was NOT pretty.

I'm glad you told that story. It's actually why I chuckle whenever I send "Me too" in response. Only MS old timers get it. I'm not nearly as an oldtimer as Larry, but I've been ten years at Microsoft.

The original version of the post was better (you can still see some of the reminants if you look at my numbers - I corrected most of them but a couple remained uncorrected).

Unfortunately, I made the mistake of getting the article fact checked by the people who were actually involved in it and they made me describe what REALLY happened Smiley

But my version was funnier Smiley

Although my version didn't hold up to close scrutiny - as I was writing it, I kept on saying "but wait, that doesn't make sense, I know that <this check> would have stopped that from happening".

I had totally forgotten that there was a bug in the MTA that was the proximate cause of the disaster.

BruceMorgan

I asked my co-worker to bring in his Bedlam DL3 t-shirt so I could scan it and post it.

We had a lot of fun recalling that day. At Microsoft, Bedlam DL3 was truly a defining moment and a singular shared experience.

If you were there, you remember it and what you felt and what you did when your mail started to die - sort of like the Nisqually earthquake.

Of course, the people who actually did 'reply all' and are still around have conveniently forgot that they, in fact, did a 'reply all' Wink

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

BruceMorgan wrote:
If you were there, you remember it and what you felt and what you did when your mail started to die - sort of like the Nisqually earthquake.

Just wondering... but why wasn't it possible to just shut the system down and then say... boot into safe-mode and clean out the mailboxes from there?

BruceMorgan wrote:
Of course, the people who actually did 'reply all' and are still around have conveniently forgot that they, in fact, did a 'reply all'

Maybe you should create a GPO for Outlook that disables the "Reply to All" button?

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

BruceMorgan wrote:
Of course, the people who actually did 'reply all' and are still around have conveniently forgot that they, in fact, did a 'reply all'

Are any of them C9 users? Smiley

Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde

Perhaps a governer on how many messages can be sent to a given distribution list per second would be a solution to this problem.

LarryOsterman

W3bbo wrote:

Just wondering... but why wasn't it possible to just shut the system down and then say... boot into safe-mode and clean out the mailboxes from there?

Sorry about Hijacking your thread Bruce....

The problem is that email guarantees reliable delivery.

When we brought the system back up, it started replaying the email messages in the queue. And it hit the bug again.

It took some time for us to figure out what was going on, and in the meanwhile, the problem just got worse and worse.

The GPO to disable reply all is overkill. The right solution is the one we deployed - we created server (and enterprise wide) limits on the maximum number of recipients on an email message.