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bonk
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As for build 5047 Aero Glass run fine on my radeon 9200SE. And that even though there havent been LDDM drivers for it. You can get such a card for $40 now.

bonk
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There is a special tier for Laptops called "To Go" wich will work on ANY hardware.

bonk
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That tier is not DWM enabled meaning it will fall back to good old GDI rendering as we know it. It will more or less simulate the Look of Aero Express and does not have any noticeble impact on the hardware.

bonk
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Beer28 wrote:

Can Longhorn's DWM match these new Gnome features with the new X11 compositing extensions?
http://www.gnome.org/~seth/blog/xshots

Yes it can (as in "would be capable of"). For some feautres however we do not know yet if (or how) MS will put that "feature" in. (Multiple Desktop for example).
You can rest assured that Avalon/DWM will go beyond what is shown on that website.ClearType v2 and Open Font is one example.

As from the developer point of view, something like Avalon has never been seen before. You will get a homogenous compact and extremly easy to use API in a "one fits all" style, that enables you to develop software in a new way. Infact with WinFX MS introdces a new Application Model (= definition of what an application is)

bonk
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Beer28 wrote:
It sounds very very similar to what we are seeing (and can use) right now on linux and MacOSX with the compositing and GL extensions to the X server.

Correct, there are a lot of features in it that have been seen before (some however haven't). But in my opinion that is not the point. The "thrilling" and ... erm ... innovative part in all of this is how all of those features (Speech, new Font system, 3D-Integration, resolution independence, advanced colorsystem, new document and printing system, new CODEC architecture for images, new File Management, new User Account Types, new Deployment / installation features, I could go on ...) are joined into one homogenous entity (the OS) and is exposed to the developer as one homogenous API system.

You do not to search for extra libs (and its correct version) or applications to enable one of the above features. Its all there in the OS (and the OS'es CD respectively).

bonk
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Beer28 wrote:
bonk wrote:

You do not to search for extra libs (and its correct version) or applications to enable one of the above features. Its all there in the OS (and the OS'es CD respectively).

Hey, that's why I have yum. I never search for extra libs(and it's always the correct version)

I'm just worried that MS and or Windows will try to stop people from really controlling the display manager and making some wild desktop themes with that layer. If what they've done in the past is any marker or indicator, it will be completely closed off to the public and undocumented, so that only Microsoft's GL Desktop themes will be available.

According to MS, Longhorn will provide "easier and advanced theming support". To what extend and wethere that will be exposed to the standard user remains to be seen.

Beer28 wrote:

Um, we've had clear type for years now on linux.

I know, I was referring to the new enhanced ClearType introduced in Avalon (hence the "v2") and to the new typographic features:
http://fortes.com/2005/05/24/stylisticalternates/
http://fortes.com/2005/05/23/cffsupport/
http://fortes.com/2005/05/27/numerals/
http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/8/f/18f8cee2-0b64-41f2-893d-a6f2295b40c8/TW04007_WINHEC2004.ppt

Beer28 wrote:

I never search for extra libs(and it's always the correct version)

Well but you still need to download them ....

billh
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Beer28 wrote:
I'm just worried that MS and or Windows will try to stop people from really controlling the display manager and making some wild desktop themes with that layer. If what they've done in the past is any marker or indicator, it will be completely closed off to the public and undocumented, so that only Microsoft's GL Desktop themes will be available.

I miss the "spruce" color theme. Or better yet, "storm". Render that with some lightning bolts or something. Now we have "olive" or "silver" or "blue".

Whatever happened to "pumpkin"?!?!?!

on

the whole topic is almost completely offtopic Smiley

Don't worry

Tensor
Im in yr house upgrading yr family

You would have to wonder who could read that and not realise its a joke after the first paragraph or two.

on

stgeorge wrote:
Since then, the following has been dropped:

OK, you miserable poor mind.
I've found the source of your great news:
http://www.miraesoft.com/karel/?page_id=29
and read the bottom of the page...

on

Tensor wrote:
You would have to wonder who could read that and not realise its a joke after the first paragraph or two.

I read only the first paragraph then i scrolled down to the bottom. And i was smiling for a few seconds...
Nowadays i just don't wonder... There are too many fake articles and most ppl believe them.
Several days ago there were some news about the downloadable "Intel version" of Mac OS X and the video about the Dell notebook - most ppl started to download it immediately while others tried to make it worse with confirming comments...

MSRoadWarrior

Beer28 wrote:

...we've had clear type for years now on linux...

Are you sure linux has ClearType? While linux may have anti-aliased fonts, I'm not sure it has ClearType (i.e. the Microsoft patented technology). There are some very significant difference between the two (i.e. anti-aliasing and ClearType).

Cairo
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MSRoadWarrior wrote:
Beer28 wrote:

...we've had clear type for years now on linux...

Are you sure linux has ClearType? While linux may have anti-aliased fonts, I'm not sure it has ClearType (i.e. the Microsoft patented technology). There are some very significant difference between the two (i.e. anti-aliasing and ClearType).

It has sub-pixel rendering of text for LCDs.

MSRoadWarrior

Cairo wrote:

MSRoadWarrior wrote:

Beer28 wrote:

...we've had clear type for years now on linux...

Are you sure linux has ClearType? While linux may have anti-aliased fonts, I'm not sure it has ClearType (i.e. the Microsoft patented technology). There are some very significant difference between the two (i.e. anti-aliasing and ClearType).

It has sub-pixel rendering of text for LCDs.

Wouldn't that be in violation of the patents that Microsoft holds on this (outlined at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/cleartype.asp)? What distros has included this? Or is this something that you have to "add yourself"? I'm really interested as I wouldn't want to be telling people that only Windows has ClearType if this is completely wrong...

Sven Groot
My name has 9 letters. Coincidence? I think not...

If Fedora Core 4 has ClearType, it's not on by default. This can be clearly seen in this screenshot, the coloured pixels that are indicative of sub-pixel anti-aliasing are not present when you zoom in on the text.

reinux

How many patent infringements does the Linux kernel have again? 250? 350? Something like that.

Set aside whether that's a bad thing or not, I wouldn't be too surprised if it does have ClearType or the likes.

reinux

I heard some Mac people whining about how they've had the technology for a really long time, any info on that?

Cairo
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Cairo wrote:
MSRoadWarrior wrote:
Wouldn't that be in violation of the patents that Microsoft holds on this (outlined at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/cleartype.asp)? What distros has included this? Or is this something that you have to "add yourself"? I'm really interested as I wouldn't want to be telling people that only Windows has ClearType if this is completely wrong...

Well, it is completely wrong, as Mac OS X also has subpixel rendering for fonts. Adobe has their "Cooltype" thing in Reader, which is also subpixel rendering.

Here's a screenshot of subpixel rendering on OSX:

Magnified so that you can see the effect.:

Here's the "tuning" dialog for Cooltype in Acrobat:

Here's Mozilla on Linux with subpixel rendering via XFT:

Magnified:

Cairo
I want my waffle sundae, give me my carbs!

MSRoadWarrior wrote:

Wouldn't that be in violation of the patents that Microsoft holds on this (outlined at http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/cleartype.asp)? What distros has included this? Or is this something that you have to "add yourself"? I'm really interested as I wouldn't want to be telling people that only Windows has ClearType if this is completely wrong...

Well, it is completely wrong, as Mac OS X also has subpixel rendering for fonts. Adobe has their "Cooltype" thing in Reader, which is also subpixel rendering.

(bizzare double post)

reinux

Cairo wrote:

Here's Mozilla on Linux with subpixel rendering via

Is that system/user-wide?

Cairo
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reinux wrote:
I heard some Mac people whining about how they've had the technology for a really long time, any info on that?

Real nice.

Cairo
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reinux wrote:
Cairo wrote:
Here's Mozilla on Linux with subpixel rendering via

Is that system/user-wide?

Except for applications that use the old X font API, yes.