Posted By: ninjagarden | Aug 13th, 2005 @ 12:04 PM
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I've been a Microsoftie for some time now, but I'm finding that Robert Scoble is really starting to turn me off the platform.  I can't seem to read this forum without seeing him trashing other browsers (anti-Firefox rants) and I haven't read a single post that looks like it was written by a human rather than written with a marketer holding a gun to his head. 

I can't even read Channel 9 anymore without seeing him on a thread trashing stuff that isn't made by Microsoft (even though I love Microsoft, I still want to use other company's products!).  I'm keeping my iPod and Firefox alongside my Windows, no matter what you say.

It was really nice when Scoble went into hiding for a week.  Please leave or start posting like a real human!

geekling
geekling
I am an artist
Oh man. Can you link me to a couple of those threads of products that Scoble bashes? I haven't seen any yet.

I wanna be in the loop, ninjagarden!
zzzzz
zzzzz
Yes its an Economy vehicle
what about constructive criticism
On a personal level Scoble is an extremely nice guy, and as far as I can tell a great person in general.

However I do not at all like what he does, blogging is lame, it is like journalism without any real legal or moral incentive to make sure it is accurate. His blog posts consist of links to other people's opinions and most appear to be aimed at getting as high up on google's search results as possible.

He rarely actually reveals his opinion, he appears to me to be the worst kind of marketing guy to a point where it is almost a stereotype of what you'd imagine the marketing department staff to be like.

You can shoot the videos in any style you like, but at the end of the day you aren't going to hear anyone saying anything negative to wards a Microsoft product. Further more it is clear that what videos get shown on what topic and on what days is very carefully planned in order to help 'hype' a technology in a more broad strategy.

we need mass removal of ipod users and firefox users.
Minh
Minh
WOOH! WOOH!
Oh C'mon guys, a little friction makes life interesting. But if you can, be more specific about your thoughts. Cite specific incident. Describe your thoughts.

This is what that guy is pissed about:

Richard Macmanus is noticing that everyone is trying to name RSS feeds something different. He also links to Mike Torres of MSN Spaces team, who explains why we like the term "Web Feeds" better.

Nata1
Nata1
.Search - Google Appliance killer
I beg to differ.  Scoble is the first person at Microsoft I've seen who's been critical of their products.  He used to rip on the search team until recently when they really started coming out with some suprising stuff.

Your entitled to your own opinion, and I'm entitled to mine - and I have no clue what you're talking about.
mVPstar
mVPstar
I'm white because I smelt an onion.
ninjagarden wrote:
I've been a Microsoftie for some time now, but I'm finding that Robert Scoble is really starting to turn me off the platform.  I can't seem to read this forum without seeing him trashing other browsers (anti-Firefox rants) and I haven't read a single post that looks like it was written by a human rather than written with a marketer holding a gun to his head. 

I can't even read Channel 9 anymore without seeing him on a thread trashing stuff that isn't made by Microsoft (even though I love Microsoft, I still want to use other company's products!).  I'm keeping my iPod and Firefox alongside my Windows, no matter what you say.

It was really nice when Scoble went into hiding for a week.  Please leave or start posting like a real human!



If you don't like it, then don't read his posts or his blog.

Like Minh said, you need something to make it interesting. If you always stand by a neutral position, nothing will ever come of it. You need to be "pro " something in order for others to be in opposition of your viewpoints.

Scoble has a lot of times criticized some of MS stuff.  For example, MSN Search, Claria, etc.

If he's passionate about MS, let him be passionate. Though, Scoble does tend to write a lot about MS. Smiley

Like I said, if you don't like it, then that's your problem. Why should he leave because of you? Scoble doesn't have to have a blog nor does he have to post here. So, he doesn't have to post what you want to hear all the time.


mVPstar
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I vote for managed code!
It's Scoble's opinion, He likes to speak up his mind.. Where is the problem? on the other hand he only speaks facts! You like using Firefox, so what?!! Want a reward? Hoooray! As if anybody uses another product rather than Microsoft's, he is honest, has his own opinion, and a hero! Well viva for you, are you satisfied now?!!! Guys give him a medal, he is keeping his iPod and Firefox alongside with HIS Windows, no matter what scoble says!!!

Stop it! It's either you reply with facts or stop criticizing! and please stop playing the victim's role, there are no victims here!

One more question, If you like Microsoft as you say, What's wrong with some marketing? or you want Microsoft forums to market Firefox instead? or do you suggest that scoble has to start interviewing Firefox and iPod teams instead of Microsoft teams?

Oh please, grow-up!!!
That ninja guy is a friend of Roberts and he is really pissed at Microsoft right now.

I just read his blog, he is driving cross country and posted on his blog right after he loged on with a new user name here.
irascian
irascian
Irascible Ian
Beer28 wrote:
I think Scoble's at microsoft for the money.


Oh puhlease! Scoble could get fired tomorrow and he'd immediately be snapped up by some rival firm for a far higher salary than Microsoft pay him.

He even joked about this himself when someone asked him (at the London Geek Dinner) what he'd do if his paymasters decided he'd gone too far.

As for the original starting point of this thread, I find it ludicrous. Scoble has been extremely critical of certain Microsoft decisions and has continually hyped non-Microsoft products. That he has managed to do so whilst still holding down his job in Microsoft evangelism is nothing short of astounding.

One of the problems of having a profile as high as Scobles is all the jealous and envious wannabe's start crawling out of the woodwork and criticising. The fact is that while you may not agree with Scoble, and sometimes he gets things seriously wrong, he has an integrity that is sadly lacking from many working in the area of P.R. and marketing or as so-called "professional journalists"
Jorgie
Jorgie
Jorgie
ninjagarden wrote:
I can't even read Channel 9 anymore without seeing him on a thread trashing stuff that isn't made by Microsoft (even though I love Microsoft, I still want to use other company's products!).


What are you smoking?

Scoble goes out of his way to give specifics when he is critical of software (Apple OR Microsoft). And makes it clear that he is actually talking about specific things he does not like and that he is not just trashing non-MS products.

Yes he can be said to be guilty of over-enthusiasm, but that rarely leads to him being negitive about anyones products.

Maybe YOU need to take some time off.

Jorgie

I fail to see all of these posts you talk about?

I am not saying that Robert has never "bashed" a non-Microsoft product but I do not agree with you that he is constantly "bashing" non-Microsoft products.

Every time I have spoken with Robert he has always said good things about other companies/software. I don't have any exact quotes but he agreed with me that Apple had a sweet product with iPod and while it may not be the _best_ (strictly speaking I don't think anything can actually be the best as everyone is different but thats another discussion) it is certainly an awesome product.

I have not spoken with him about Firefox but I am sure he would agree that some of the features such as tabbed browsing are handy (after all IE is implementing them now) however Firefox does have its fair share of problems and one of them is deployment and enterprise management/support. This is what lets Firefox down and probably why, if infact he did, bash Firefox. It is why I "bash" Firefox. I use it at home and at work as my primary browser but there is no chance in hell I would be allowed (or want) to deploy it at work to 2000+ workstations with no central management tool.

I also think that these personal attacks, which is what your post is, are unfair. If you dislike what Robert says why not email him and talk to him about it? You don't have to start a post here to find others who dislike him also.

Jeremy W
Jeremy W
that blogging guy
Beer28 wrote:
I think Scoble's at microsoft for the money. He's been there an aweful long time, but I still think he's only there for the bling bling.


He doesn't make that much money. He drives a Focus. He dresses in jeans and T shirts more than half the time.

Disagree with his opinions, but why personally attack him?
Jeremy W. wrote:
Disagree with his opinions, but why personally attack him?


Even if you did make it personal you'd still loose, scoble is too nice of a person... As I said in the above post I don't like what he spends his days doing, but the guy, outside of his work seems like a really nice person and I am yet to read something to make me think otherwise.

The fact he makes money doing what he does is irrelevant as most jobs do... I know people who are on less than 10k a year but love their jobs, I also know people that are on more than 50k and HATE their jobs so...

Jeremy W
Jeremy W
that blogging guy
Manip wrote:
Jeremy W. wrote: Disagree with his opinions, but why personally attack him?


Even if you did make it personal you'd still loose, scoble is too nice of a person...


No argument from me. Scoble's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet. I don't always agree with him ever, but then disagreeing with folk isn't exactly new territory for me Wink
Jorgie
Jorgie
Jorgie
The first thing I want to do is remind everyone that the intent and motivation behind the C9 videos is complete different then the intent and motivation of Scoble’s blog. The C9 videos are a Microsoft product and should be interpreted as such.

Scoble’s blog on the other hand is purely Scoble’s opinion, both legally and realistically. He is a Microsoft guy, yet he has been honest enough to be critical of some MS related things. Just don’t expect him to air a bunch of dirty laundry. He is not stupid.  

Manip wrote:
You can shoot the videos in any style you like, but at the end of the day you aren't going to hear anyone saying anything negative to wards a Microsoft product. Further more it is clear that what videos get shown on what topic and on what days is very carefully planned in order to help 'hype' a technology in a more broad strategy.


You are either naive or stupid. These are video paid for Microsoft containing Microsoft employees talking about the projects they have been working on. Are you telling me that if someone (even someone not from your company) came to interview you on the things you have been working on and you knew they were going to post the interview on a public web site that you would spend the interview bitching about your employer? (If so, you are stupid, not naïve.)

You completely miss the mark when you say “you aren’t going to hear anyone saying anything negative to wards[sic] a Microsoft product.” There have been many videos where a developer has expressed his frustration with the way things work in 2k or xp and how they hope they are doing it better. If pointing out things that they think were not done right is previous versions, is not a negative, I don’t know what is.

As for the “style” of the videos, there is a lot more then “style” that makes them different from a normal marketing video. 1) They are minimally edited. In fact many of them are one continuous shot. 2) They are normal MS employees, not marketing people. Most companies do not let non-marketing employees on camera EVER. 3) They are minimally rehearsed. Yes they know Scoble is coming, but it seems pretty clear to me that most of the stuff is not scripted, it is just talented technical people talking about the stuff they have been working on.

As for you comment on them being timed to hype technology, I think you are way off. Many if not most of the videos are released completely out of sync with the public release cycle of any of the projects they are about. For example the MONAD videos came long after the first beta was in testers hands.   It sounds to me like you are just looking for something to whine about. If you want to whine, whine to Apple, or Dell, Or IBM or any of the other high-tech companies that don’t have ANY videos showing the projects they are working on. (Good luck even getting Apple to tell you WHAT it is working on.)

Jorgie  
Jorgie
Jorgie
Jorgie
ninjagarden wrote:

Firstly, you're not a Microsoftie since it is obvious you do NOT work there...

Lastly, STFU stupid!!

.....Willy

This is the sort of crap that's going to drive me off the Microsoft platform completely.  Get a life, fanboy.


Yea, cause the Linux and Apple camps are so much kinder to their detractors! Just go post something negative about Steve J. or Linus T. on slashdot and see how you are welcomed.

BTW, I an not defending the unecessary, childish post you quoted, I am just pointing out the irony of your response.

Jorgie
Nata1
Nata1
.Search - Google Appliance killer
Ninja sounds like that Mini-Microsoft guy.  Has a grudge against anything and everything
Jorgie
Jorgie
Jorgie
Orbit86 wrote:
I really can't see what Scoble has been talking about MSN Search's cool new stuff.. only thing is Windows Desktop Search and thats only because Apple's spotlight came out and thats all..


Sorry, but Google's Desktop search came out long before Apple added Spotlight.

And I was using the LookOut plugin for Outlook (which searches my whole drive) long before that.

Not to mention the fact that you have been able to mark you whole drive as indexable by the indexing service in XP since it came out.

Desktop search is not new. The attention is new.

Jorgie
If you spend a moment to imagine some PR cyborg with a vasalean smile and a way of talking that is only spoken by PR people then I think you will be thankful for Scoble. He isn't afraid to tell people to move when the lighting is wrong or tell people to change their desktop resolution and he always asks the right questions, but as long as Scoble keeps telling people to quit with the PR talk, I will always be very happy with him being behind the camera.

I don't read his blog because he doesn't post anything interesting or insightful, I usually find it to be regurgitated opinions or viewpoints, but since there are so many blogs out on the internet I question the sanity of anybody who reads a blog they don't like.
eagle wrote:
That ninja guy is a friend of Roberts and he is really pissed at Microsoft right now.

I just read his blog, he is driving cross country and posted on his blog right after he loged on with a new user name here.


Paul you see conspiracy everywhere.  Why would DW post here?

Jorgie wrote:

Sorry, but Google's Desktop search came out long before Apple added Spotlight.

And I was using the LookOut plugin for Outlook (which searches my whole drive) long before that.

Not to mention the fact that you have been able to mark you whole drive as indexable by the indexing service in XP since it came out.

Desktop search is not new. The attention is new.


You make it sound like they all knocked this stuff up in a couple of weeks in response to company X releasing a product Smiley I'd put money on them all working on the same thing concurrently and just releasing in a different order ...
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