Posted By: manickernel | Aug 15th, 2005 @ 1:41 PM
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manickernel
manickernel
anticipate consequences..
"As a policy, I don't run anything that competes with Microsoft," Microsoft CIO Ron Markezich said in a December interview with CNET News.com. "My goal is to make sure Microsoft products are the best products in the world. It's an easy choice for me, in that sense, to run Microsoft technology. We don't run Unix. We don't run Linux. We don't run Oracle. We're 100 percent Windows, SQL Server."

Article

Now that's just dumb... but better late than never that you have someone good to do more than just pay lip service to "interoperability".

Good video too.
Svendawg
Svendawg
Arrrrg....
It would be dumb if he was in charge of development or R&D or some type of competitive program. 

But since he just controls the MS infra. and is committed to being Microsofts "First and Best customer"...

Charles
Charles
Welcome Change
Time to go and dig into that lab with Bill. Stay tuned.

C
Beer28 wrote:
The reason people use linux is simple, it's 3 things, cost, simplicity and the avoidance of technology lockin.


Simplicity muhahahah! Yes it is simple and so is putting together a P4.. If you seriously find Linux simple then you need to try out Windows or get your head examined!
Charles
Charles
Welcome Change
The Linux lab at Microsoft is not where we figure out why people use Linux... The point is to understand what the various Linux distros offer that we don't, what we offer that they don't, how we can work together seamlessly in a heterogenous environment. Did you read the article that prefaced this thread? I suggest you do.


C
Who are you talking to beer?
Maurits
Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde
Very cool.  I'm particularly impressed that the GAIM enhancements were remanded to the GAIM team.  Two points for Microsoft.
Maurits
Maurits
AKA Matthew van Eerde
Beer28 wrote:
You guys are paying them to write patches to gaim?

I'm not against this in any way, but doesn't that seem a little counter productive?

Bite your tongue!

Yggdrasil
Yggdrasil
Pour me a cab, 'cause I can't drink no more.
Beer28 wrote:
You guys are paying them to write patches to gaim?
I'm not against this in any way, but doesn't that seem a little counter productive?


Not necessarily, no.

This guy wants to use IM. He has friends using Windows. He has friends using Linux. He wants to choose the IM provider that will let him talk to all of his friends. If there is no MSN IM solution for Linux, he will simply not use MSN and pick AIM or ICQ any other Linux-supported solution. If, with little effort, MS can have a working MSN IM solution for Linux, they're recaptured a (rather small, but still existing) market sector they would have lost.
rjdohnert
rjdohnert
You will never know success until you know failure
Beer28 wrote:
I read it,

2 things I don't get

"As a policy, I don't run anything that competes with Microsoft," Microsoft CIO Ron Markezich said in a December interview with CNET News.com. "My goal is to make sure Microsoft products are the best products in the world. It's an easy choice for me, in that sense, to run Microsoft technology. We don't run Unix. We don't run Linux. We don't run Oracle. We're 100 percent Windows, SQL Server."



Nothing strange about that.  Its a different department, different departments use different products.  My graphics department uses Mac, no one else in the company does.  Most of the developers use Solaris as their primary OS, they also have Windows but oh well.  The admin staff doesnt use Solaris, they use Windows and their is some old JDS distributions still floating around here and there.

Beer28 wrote:

http://www.opensource.org/halloween/halloween10.html

Microsoft will
have brough in $86 million for us including Baystar. The next deal we
should be able to get from $16-20, but it will be brutial as it is for
go to makerket work and some licences.


Did Microsoft persuade Baystar to invest?  Nope and Microsoft took out a UNIX license to cover their butts.  Launch all the foil plated conspiracy theiries you want, but most people work on fact.

Beer28 wrote:

Did you all donate that $100 million in unix licenses to charity?
Apparently Novell is now suing SCO to get the money back since it was really thiers to license.


Completely futile attempt by Novell.  All Novell is doing here is pumping up its PR.  You see Novell launched this attempt after recieving the 50 million dollar bribe from IBM to pump up its sales.  Its painted this pretty picture that they will be the saviors of the Linux cause and you guys bought it and their sales have gone up.  Right now they are just milking the cash cow while it can simply pumping the religon for all its worth..  Its highly unlikely that any judge is going to allow Novell to come back 9 years later and renig on a deal like that.

Beer28 wrote:

The 2nd thing I don't understand is this

"One example, Hilf said, was on the instant-messaging side. There was an IM client called Gaim that allowed connectivity to MSN instant messaging, but the program was not able to use the HTTP protocol, the only technology means available to Hilf. So he set his team of open-source software experts to write the needed patch. He submitted it to the open-source group that oversees Gaim's development and the changes were accepted.

"Now we can use it, and so can everyone else who uses Gaim," Hilf said."


How many people would actually use a Linux version of MSN Messenger?  Not many, GAIM works and it works well.  GAIM already has the mindshare so just build on that.  Its like MSOffice for Linux.  How many would actually buy it?  Not many would, while you beer may be willing to pay for good software the vast majority of Linux users out there dont want to pay. 

sbc
sbc
GW R/Me
"As a policy, I don't run anything that competes with Microsoft," Microsoft CIO Ron Markezich said in a December interview with CNET News.com. "My goal is to make sure Microsoft products are the best products in the world. It's an easy choice for me, in that sense, to run Microsoft technology. We don't run Unix. We don't run Linux. We don't run Oracle. We're 100 percent Windows, SQL Server."

I wonder how you know if your is the best if you never try the competition? I guess this does not apply to web sites as well.
rjdohnert wrote:

Did Microsoft persuade Baystar to invest?  Nope and Microsoft took out a UNIX license to cover their butts.  Launch all the foil plated conspiracy theiries you want, but most people work on fact.



http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2006100801442692

"Mr. Emerson and I discussed a variety of investment structures wherein Microsoft would 'backstop,' or guarantee in some way, BayStar's investment.... Microsoft assured me that it would in some way guarantee BayStar's investment in SCO." - Goldfarb

Anyhow, after the investment was made, Goldfarb says, "Microsoft stopped returning my phone calls and emails, and to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Emerson was fired from Microsoft."

corona_coder
corona_coder
Only Proprietary software vendors deal in absolutes.



Screwdriver wrote:

rjdohnert wrote:
Did Microsoft persuade Baystar to invest?  Nope and Microsoft took out a UNIX license to cover their butts.  Launch all the foil plated conspiracy theiries you want, but most people work on fact.



http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2006100801442692

"Mr. Emerson and I discussed a variety of investment structures wherein Microsoft would 'backstop,' or guarantee in some way, BayStar's investment.... Microsoft assured me that it would in some way guarantee BayStar's investment in SCO." - Goldfarb

Anyhow, after the investment was made, Goldfarb says, "Microsoft stopped returning my phone calls and emails, and to the best of my knowledge, Mr. Emerson was fired from Microsoft."



Microsoft is a bunch of crooks, what do you expect from a dying company who wont be around in 5 years.
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