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Rowan
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There seems to be a catch-22 with this site.

I had disabled JS to browse for an existing thread on a particular issue and when I was ready to create a new thread; I couldn't. Please make it so JavaScript isn't required to use this site. There's no point making parts of the site work without JavaScript, while leaving other critical component broken.

Rowan
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Test reply

I got this JS error after loading this thread (copied from Firebug):

this.get_entryList().control is undefined http://channel9.msdn.com/Telerik.Web.UI.WebResource.axd?_TSM_HiddenField_=ctl00_RadScriptManager1_HiddenField&compress=1&_TSM_CombinedScripts_=%3b%3bChannel9.Web.UI%3aen-US%3a6450aa13-be98-4877-89b8-1a591e4a95f3%3ab1f64471%3ab6ad9aee%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3ad0cc46e9%3bChannel9.Web.UI%3aen-US%3a6450aa13-be98-4877-89b8-1a591e4a95f3%3a1b1af369%3bChannel9.Web.UI%3aen-US%3a6450aa13-be98-4877-89b8-1a591e4a95f3%3abfc6b98d%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a5db195a6%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3aa093051e%3bChannel9.Web.UI%3aen-US%3a6450aa13-be98-4877-89b8-1a591e4a95f3%3a46ab4dab%3bChannel9.Web.UI%3aen-US%3a6450aa13-be98-4877-89b8-1a591e4a95f3%3a8baa875a%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3af1ce222a%3bChannel9.Web.UI%3aen-US%3a6450aa13-be98-4877-89b8-1a591e4a95f3%3a7c64497d%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a52d56b39%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a1bfc391c%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a974f2aad%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3ae5cfa4cd%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3abc8b7265%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a6848da3d%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3ae1541727%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a386f7168%3bTelerik.Web.UI%2c+Version%3d2008.2.723.35%2c+Culture%3dneutral%2c+PublicKeyToken%3d121fae78165ba3d4%3aen-US%3afaa3c25c-0b63-45d2-9c6e-561f75337212%3afe8d4455%3bTelerik.Web.UI%2c+Version%3d2008.2.723.35%2c+Culture%3dneutral%2c+PublicKeyToken%3d121fae78165ba3d4%3aen-US%3afaa3c25c-0b63-45d2-9c6e-561f75337212%3ac7991a52%3bTelerik.Web.UI%2c+Version%3d2008.2.723.35%2c+Culture%3dneutral%2c+PublicKeyToken%3d121fae78165ba3d4%3aen-US%3afaa3c25c-0b63-45d2-9c6e-561f75337212%3ac0565da0 Line 20 The following error also showed up after I clicked "Reply" on the root post: [Exception... "Not enough arguments [nsIDOMNSHTMLDocument.execCommand]" nsresult: "0x80570001 (NS_ERROR_XPC_NOT_ENOUGH_ARGS)" location: "JS frame :: http://channel9.msdn.com/Telerik.Web.UI.WebResource.axd?_TSM_HiddenField_=ctl00_RadScriptManager1_HiddenField&compress=1&_TSM_CombinedScripts_=%3b%3bTelerik.Web.UI%2c+Version%3d2008.2.723.35%2c+Culture%3dneutral%2c+PublicKeyToken%3d121fae78165ba3d4%3aen-US%3afaa3c25c-0b63-45d2-9c6e-561f75337212%3af7bf5190%3a5a41fa7%3acc662d70%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a8ce987f4%3bMicrosoft.Communities.Bar%3aen-US%3a6ea72fbc-3f6f-4a3e-8e7a-2226dfa34fde%3ad49a8b24 :: anonymous :: line 138" data: no] http://channel9.msdn.com/Telerik.Web.UI.WebResource.axd?_TSM_HiddenField_=ctl00_RadScriptManager1_HiddenField&compress=1&_TSM_CombinedScripts_=%3b%3bTelerik.Web.UI%2c+Version%3d2008.2.723.35%2c+Culture%3dneutral%2c+PublicKeyToken%3d121fae78165ba3d4%3aen-US%3afaa3c25c-0b63-45d2-9c6e-561f75337212%3af7bf5190%3a5a41fa7%3acc662d70%3bEvNet%3aen-US%3a789e6b4f-61a9-4312-aa22-15968063f7f1%3a8ce987f4%3bMicrosoft.Communities.Bar%3aen-US%3a6ea72fbc-3f6f-4a3e-8e7a-2226dfa34fde%3ad49a8b24 Line 138

Rowan
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In reply to Rowan

#Aug 11th, 2008 @ 2:04 AM

* it. Everything's broken.

Rowan
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In reply to Rowan

#Aug 11th, 2008 @ 2:06 AM

I can't edit my post to clean it up.

When I click "Add" the editor stays on screen and I have to reload the page to see my new post.

HumanCompiler
Compiling humans...and code

There is a point actually. We don't have time to go through the entire site and make everything work without javascript at once. It is something we'll do slowly over time. We've made some areas work without javascript to enable a read-only experience if you don't have javascript.

Note: Our initial target for this site is modern web browsers. Most of our users come to our site with a javascript enabled browser so we're ok with making things not work at first without javascript. Down the road we will work on mobile versions of the site as well as just making the site work without javascript, but it is pretty low priority as it doesn't apply to many users.

Rowan
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In reply to HumanCompiler

#Aug 11th, 2008 @ 9:39 AM

It doesn't matter if the site requires JavaScript for everything, as long as the JavaScript actually works.

I can't browse this site with JavaScript enabled, I can't post with JavaScipt disabled. It's lose-lose situation.

Browser: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1a1) Gecko/2008072310 Shiretoko/3.1a1

HumanCompiler
Compiling humans...and code

In reply to Rowan

#Aug 12th, 2008 @ 2:11 AM

Then this is a bug, not a design flaw. Tongue Out

You're User Agent looks fine and should work.

Please paste in a reply what this page returns you: http://channel9.msdn.com/BrowserInfo.aspx

Rowan
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In reply to HumanCompiler

#Aug 12th, 2008 @ 11:20 AM

.Type: Mozilla1.9.1
.Platform: WinNT
.Version: 1.9.1
.Browser: Mozilla
.Crawler: False
.EcmaScriptVersion: 1.4
.IsMobileDevice: False
.MobileDeviceManufacturer: Unknown
.MobileDeviceModel: Unknown
.Beta: False
Request.UserAgent:
Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.0; en-US; rv:1.9.1a1) Gecko/2008072310 Shiretoko/3.1a1