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Re: email Spam

Red5 — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:55:41 GMT

Massif wrote:

Indeed, it should be banned.

LOL.
I used to work for a large well known company, and the department I worked in used ComicSans for all their internal literature and memos. Most external communications included at some point too.

I CAN'T STAND that font to this day.

Agreed. BAN IT.

Re: email Spam

Massif — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 14:59:18 GMT

ZippyV wrote:

Curt8888 wrote: NewNetMail is a great service - and they are constantly making the service better. I am ~~sharing~~ spamming it with everybody i know: www.new-net-mail.ws

At my technical university we get a Zero on our project if we even think about using 'Comic Sans' as a font.

Indeed, it should be banned.

Re: email Spam

odujosh — Wed, 25 Apr 2007 12:35:19 GMT

Gmail is the solution. Next to 0 spam comes through. I know this doesn't yet make sense for the enterprise. But others why are you using an inferior product in a largely free service ad based market.

Re: email Spam

ZippyV — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 23:43:20 GMT

Curt8888 wrote:

NewNetMail is a great service - and they are constantly making the service better. I am ~~sharing~~ spamming it with everybody i know: www.new-net-mail.ws

At my technical university we get a Zero on our project if we even think about using 'Comic Sans' as a font.

Re: email Spam

Curt8888 — Tue, 24 Apr 2007 21:35:35 GMT

NewNetMail is a great service - and they are constantly making the service better. [H] I am sharing it with everybody i know: www.new-net-mail.ws

Re: email Spam

Matthew van Eerde — Fri, 04 Aug 2006 01:08:51 GMT

ScanIAm wrote:

Also, if you take a look at the full header of the email (not the pretty one that shows up in outlook, the full header), you'll see that your email address is present.

... not necessarily. Some MTAs do this, some don't, some do sometimes.

Re: email Spam

ScanIAm — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:31:41 GMT

figuerres wrote:

hts wrote: The problem with e-mail is the system as a whole. There are too many ways that spammers exploit the system and they are finding new ones all the time. This link has some pretty straight forward stuff about the spam problem and what really works to fix it. PRIVATE INTERNET MAIL - REPLACE THE BROKEN SPAM INFESTED, VIRUS RIDDEN EMAIL SYSTEM ! http://hts.newnetmail.com

and the link looks like a scam to me.

the founders name sounds like a play on "Baysian" and I saw nothing that makes it better....

web site says it just started .... but the Copyright is 2004 ??

Hmmm....

The idea is sound, they act as your whitelist database. Of course, then they go on to ruin it by talking about a moneymaking opportunity....two words that scream multi-level marketing rip-off.

Too bad.

Re: email Spam

ScanIAm — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 20:27:17 GMT

Shark_M wrote:

Matthew van Eerde wrote: That is, indeed, how BCC works.

Explain how I can be receiving an email not addressed to me using BCC?

I send an email to X@ISP.co m and then Y @ ISP.co m gets it? although X is similiar to Y but not equal to it strictly speaking.

How does BCC work in that way?

Also, if you take a look at the full header of the email (not the pretty one that shows up in outlook, the full header), you'll see that your email address is present.

Re: email Spam

figuerres — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:45:05 GMT

ZippyV wrote:

Have you guys/system admins checked out spamhaus.org ? If your emailserver has low traffic their service is even free and it stops spam from the source: open proxies, known spam-isp's and zombies.

they are usefull but still a bandaid.

also DNS / RBL works on class C subnets.

so if two mail servers are in one C block you block both of them.

unless they changed it recently.

Re: email Spam

figuerres — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 19:43:04 GMT

hts wrote:

The problem with e-mail is the system as a whole. There are too many ways that spammers exploit the system and they are finding new ones all the time. This link has some pretty straight forward stuff about the spam problem and what really works to fix it. PRIVATE INTERNET MAIL - REPLACE THE BROKEN SPAM INFESTED, VIRUS RIDDEN EMAIL SYSTEM ! http://hts.newnetmail.com

and the link looks like a scam to me.

the founders name sounds like a play on "Baysian" and I saw nothing that makes it better....

web site says it just started .... but the Copyright is 2004 ??

Hmmm....

Re: email Spam

ZippyV — Thu, 03 Aug 2006 11:35:00 GMT

Have you guys/system admins checked out spamhaus.org ? If your emailserver has low traffic their service is even free and it stops spam from the source: open proxies, known spam-isp's and zombies.

Re: email Spam

hts — Wed, 02 Aug 2006 17:07:02 GMT

The problem with e-mail is the system as a whole. There are too many ways that spammers exploit the system and they are finding new ones all the time. This link has some pretty straight forward stuff about the spam problem and what really works to fix it. PRIVATE INTERNET MAIL - REPLACE THE BROKEN SPAM INFESTED, VIRUS RIDDEN EMAIL SYSTEM ! :) http://hts.newnetmail.com

Re: email Spam

Matthew van Eerde — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 15:11:07 GMT

They're all about accountability of the "From" address, really.

You can read more about them here:

Microsoft Sender ID
OpenSPF Sender Policy Framework
Yahoo! and Cisco DomainKeys Identified Mail

Re: email Spam

figuerres — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 11:04:16 GMT

Matthew van Eerde wrote:

Alas, spam is likely to continue so long as
a) people want to buy the products spamvertised
b) the spamvertising merchants are more attractive than other, legitimate merchants

But there are RFCs by various orgs that should help, if they become more widely adopted:

RFC 4405
RFC 4406
RFC 4407
RFC 4408

Yahoo and Cisco are also working on an RFC for their DKIM technology, which looks promising.

Hmm... when I get time I'l try and see what they do,
can you coment on any of them stoping the spoofing and hiding aspects ?

Re: email Spam

cheong — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 10:02:02 GMT

Shark_M wrote:

Explain how I can be receiving an email not addressed to me using BCC?

I send an email to X@ISP.co m and then Y @ ISP.co m gets it? although X is similiar to Y but not equal to it strictly speaking.

How does BCC work in that way?

But, don't BCC in email header immediately discarded when placed in mailbox and never be seen by the receiver? All receipents(including receivers on the BCC list!) won't know who is on the BCC list.

littleguru wrote:
Sometimes it is better not speaking english as a native language. Most of the spam mails are written in english, which makes it easier for me to filter them out.

On the contrary, most of the spam I received is in Chinese, so writing emails in English makes it easier for me to filter them out.

Re: email Spam

littleguru — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 06:07:40 GMT

Sometimes it is better not speaking english as a native language. Most of the spam mails are written in english, which makes it easier for me to filter them out.

Re: email Spam

LaBomba — Thu, 27 Jul 2006 04:07:58 GMT

If you are getting a lot of spam from the same address, or subjects similiar, and you were using Hotmail, you could setup custom filters.

These messages would then be delivered straight to your....

trash can.

Re: email Spam

Matthew van Eerde — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:46:22 GMT

From: spammer@example.com
To: fake-address@nowhere.example.org
Bcc: you@your-isp.example

Buy, buy buy!
Don't bother checking into the validity of this offer. I already did that and I can personally assure you it's totally above-board.

It was mentioned on CNN and Oprah uses it herself.

... etc.

Re: email Spam

Shark_M — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:28:19 GMT

Matthew van Eerde wrote:

That is, indeed, how BCC works.

Explain how I can be receiving an email not addressed to me using BCC?

I send an email to X@ISP.co m and then Y @ ISP.co m gets it? although X is similiar to Y but not equal to it strictly speaking.

How does BCC work in that way?

Re: email Spam

Matthew van Eerde — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 22:20:12 GMT

That is, indeed, how BCC works.

Re: email Spam

Shark_M — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 21:56:44 GMT

Matthew van Eerde wrote:

Well, that's a lot easier to explain. It's popularly known as BCC.

but some emails have only 1 email in the TO: field and its not even mine.

Re: email Spam

Matthew van Eerde — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:56:28 GMT

Well, that's a lot easier to explain. It's popularly known as BCC. :)

Re: email Spam

Shark_M — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 19:22:39 GMT

Yeah, But guys, suppose your email is myEmail@MyISP.com.

why would you be receiving spam email not even directed to your email address? I am receiving email that is directed to myEma@MyISP.c om, and other variants but not my actual myEmail@ myips..., it really is amazing. Is there something wrong with my Isp's addressing or something that allows emails intended to others to reach me? I am not myEm, or MyEma, or MyE....etc. but i keep getting these spam addressed to an email not entirely mine.

Strange!:(

Re: email Spam

Matthew van Eerde — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 15:50:25 GMT

Alas, spam is likely to continue so long as
a) people want to buy the products spamvertised
b) the spamvertising merchants are more attractive than other, legitimate merchants

But there are RFCs by various orgs that should help, if they become more widely adopted:

RFC 4405
RFC 4406
RFC 4407
RFC 4408

Yahoo and Cisco are also working on an RFC for their DKIM technology, which looks promising.

Re: email Spam

Pace — Wed, 26 Jul 2006 08:43:22 GMT

I feel better for reading this :D

Even with my intelligent message filtering set to extremely strict in exchange and using GFI Mail Essentials im still getting about 10/hr through...

I wish someone would castrate the people that make these new spam bots.