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tgraupmann
tgraupmann

I've been using Vista Home Premium and just realized that Remote Desktop isn't part of the OS. Is there a way to enable it?

tgraupmann
tgraupmann

I've seen this work pretty good too:
http://www.unyte.net/

Refreshes pretty quickly.

Kayler

The real question would be are you trying to connect to a different machine, or are you trying to connect to the machine with Windows Home? Windows Home versions have never allowed you to connect via Remote Desktop. This is a feature, of professional, business, server versions of windows. If you just need the client I believe you can download it, or it's already installed under accessories -> Communication.

tgraupmann
tgraupmann

Kayler wrote:
The real question would be are you trying to connect to a different machine, or are you trying to connect to the machine with Windows Home? Windows Home versions have never allowed you to connect via Remote Desktop. This is a feature, of professional, business, server versions of windows. If you just need the client I believe you can download it, or it's already installed under accessories -> Communication.

Trying to connect to the machine that has Windows Home. Remote Desktop was part of XP. This makes Home Premium a real downgrade.

CannotResolveSymbol
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tgraupmann wrote:

Kayler wrote:The real question would be are you trying to connect to a different machine, or are you trying to connect to the machine with Windows Home? Windows Home versions have never allowed you to connect via Remote Desktop. This is a feature, of professional, business, server versions of windows. If you just need the client I believe you can download it, or it's already installed under accessories -> Communication.

Trying to connect to the machine that has Windows Home. Remote Desktop was part of XP. This makes Home Premium a real downgrade.

Only XP Professional and Media Center. It was never a part of XP Home Edition.

cheong

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:

tgraupmann wrote:

Trying to connect to the machine that has Windows Home. Remote Desktop was part of XP. This makes Home Premium a real downgrade.

Only XP Professional and Media Center. It was never a part of XP Home Edition.

What makes it look like a downgrade is that, Vista Home Premium worths near WinXP Pro., not WinXP Home. (In HK, I think the price difference of retail boxes is not more than US$20. If it's OEM version I think the price difference will be even smaller)

Can you name any "User Feature" that exist in Vista Home Premium but not in WinXP Pro.? (I.e.: Any movie that can't play unless you upgrade to Vista? Any popular games that won't be able to play unless you upgrade to Vista? Any Office applications that won't run unless you upgrade to Vista? Any important thing that I can't do unless upgrade to Vista?) At roughly the same price, when deciding which OS to buy, those are the questions that'd be asked by the end-users.

Now seems a few answers to the questions are in favor of decision of buying WinXP Pro.

BrianPeiris

This might help:
http://portal.tonychan.org/Default.aspx?tabid=58&EntryID=123
a little googling never hurts Smiley

PaoloM
Hypermediocrity

cheong wrote:
Can you name any "User Feature" that exist in Vista Home Premium but not in WinXP Pro.?

Media Center and Tablet support do not exist in XP Pro. And all the low level Vista features, but those are not "User features"...

cheong

PaoloM wrote:

cheong wrote:Can you name any "User Feature" that exist in Vista Home Premium but not in WinXP Pro.?

Media Center and Tablet support do not exist in XP Pro. And all the low level Vista features, but those are not "User features"...

Agreed "Media Center" counts, but how many user need Tablet support on their Desktop machine?

Then again, is there any movie that can be played in Media Center but not in WMP? And how many user also bought the remote control? And afterall, wireless keyboard and mouse are quite common today, they may serve that purpose good enough......

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

cheong wrote:
Agreed "Media Center" counts, but how many user need Tablet support on their Desktop machine?

Digital artists with Wacoms?

cheong

W3bbo wrote:

cheong wrote:Agreed "Media Center" counts, but how many user need Tablet support on their Desktop machine?

Digital artists with Wacoms?

Sure they do, but Wacom also come with driver for Windows XP.

And do you think we average users own Wacom boards? Tongue Out

W3bbo
The Master of Baiters

cheong wrote:

W3bbo wrote:
cheong wrote:Agreed "Media Center" counts, but how many user need Tablet support on their Desktop machine?

Digital artists with Wacoms?

Sure they do, but Wacom also come with driver for Windows XP.

All Wacom tablet devices are USB HID devices and don't require Wacom's own drivers to operate, it's only when you require the special functionality (like pressure 'n' stuff) where you need Wacom's driver.

Even so, Wacom's driver is just a driver, it doesn't add TabletPC XP's nice input panel and other Tablet-friendly features.

linht

Home version do not support Remote Desktop. You can use Gooer Remote Desktop Service, I am using it on my Vista Home Premium and it works fine.

Svavar
I like!

The only way to remote into XP Home (without installing a remote server) is through a remote assistance request.

Basically someone sitting at the XP home machine sends you a request via email or MSN messenger and then they can give you control of the machine and then you can connect to it with Remote Desktop.

You can also try Real VNC (http://www.realvnc.com) or Gooer as suggested above.

pdogs

LogMeIn Free is IMHO just superb. Just need to register and install on the client. Thereafter just download a browser plug-in to access the remote. After that its a free trial to remote to someone else and totally free to remote home to one's own PC.

tgraupmann
tgraupmann

Well I upgraded to Windows Vista Ultimate. I have remote desktop now.

I am able to remote desktop to my machine. But then after authentication, the connection is dropped.

Maybe the firewall is blocking me. What ports does Vista's remote desktop use?

cheong

Port 3389, same as in WinXP Pro.

EDIT: Seems not a port problem because you did mentioned you can connect. What version of RDP client you're using? Is that the one in WinXP? I remember that you'll have to either upgrade the RDP client in WinXP or enable the use of older RDP protocol in Vista in order to use a WinXP machine to remote into Vista.

tgraupmann
tgraupmann

Actually I think it was my wife. I was at work remoting home. My wife was using Pandora on my computer while doing homework on hers. When I Remoted in, the music cut out. So she logged back in.

I tried 3 times and gave up. She won.

I forgot Vista is more like XP. Two people apparently can't be actively logged in at the same time.

When does Windows 2008 Server come out?

RichardRudek
So what do you expect for nothin'... :P

tgraupmann wrote:
Actually I think it was my wife. I was at work remoting home. My wife was using Pandora on my computer while doing homework on hers. When I Remoted in, the music cut out. So she logged back in.

I tried 3 times and gave up. She won.

I forgot Vista is more like XP. Two people apparently can't be actively logged in at the same time.

When does Windows 2008 Server come out?

Ha ha. I hate it when that happens... the computer equivalent of phone tag...

I don't know wether Vista still has Remote Assistance, or not. But maybe you can [hack Remote Assistance] like was done with XP's one. Basically, it behaves like VNC does (both people being able to see/use the screen at the same time), but using the more efficient RDP.

The hack removes a lot of the "security" prompting. For example, I'm constantly httting the 'Esc' key, and loosing remote control. To regain control, without the hack, the end user has to be called in to 'allow'.

Actually what I should look into is disabling the 'Esc' key altogether. Though to be honest, I don't use Remote Assitance that much.

ScanIAm
On a scale of 1 to 10, people are stupid.

I used to use UltraVNC, but I figured I'd try using remote desktop between my desktop and the TiVo (running XP). When I disconnect, it puts the screen back to the login prompt. This kind of defeats the purpose if someone is trying to watch a show Sad

Back to VNC...

yman

It appears that it's not well known that you can get real concurrent Terminal Services support in Home Premium and concurrent (by default Ultimate, like XP, only allows you one connection) in Ultimate. Home Premium natively has the TS service (for MCX extenders I believe) but to actually use it normally you need to swop your termserv.dll with a cracked/modified version.

I've applied it to 4 of my Home Prem based computers and it works flawlessly. Here's a tut on how to do it:
http://www.missingremote.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1220&Itemid=224

Oops! It seems BrianPeiris has already posted about this earlier in this thread. Apologies.

whoodoggie

If anyone has an XP Pro box and is transferring their files and settings from that system to the new Vista Home Premium system, make a Remote Desktop shortcut on your XP desktop and then transfer it over to the new box. It works like a champ on the new system. Just goes to show you that MS is just trying to make you upgrade to Ultimate.

WisePcUser

Well lets not confuse Remote Desktop with Remote Assistance. They are not the same thing. Home has Remote Desktop which allows you to remotely control other computers, but does not have Remote Assistance which allows your computer to be controlled. So there will be two selections Remote Desktop and Remote Assistance. The only one you will be able to use unless you change to a business or professional edition is Remote Desktop.

ScottWelker

.."just realized that Remote Desktop isn't part of the OS"

Are you sure? I often use it from my Vista Home Premium laptop. I don't recall doing anything to get it :-/

Ahh... see WisePCUser's reply...

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