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Re: FF3 and Silverlight

JonathonW — Wed, 14 May 2008 01:52:05 GMT

Sorry about the thread necro-bump, but it looks like I was wrong:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=432371

Silverlight doesn't work on most sites because there was a change of behavior in Firefox 3 that causes the plugin to not yet be loaded when silverlight.js attempts to determine the installed version of the plugin.

There are two variations of this script: one using <object> to embed the plugin, one using <embed>. The one using <embed> still works (which is why microsoft.com/silverlight works), but the one using <object> doesn't work.

So, yes, you still have the same situation where everyone has to update their copy of silverlight.js, but it appears that my explanation for why it fails on Firefox 3 wasn't accurate.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

CKurt — Sun, 11 May 2008 11:44:58 GMT

Yeah cool,

But it shouldn't be that way. Because now all apps previously made for silverlight still don't work, i should ben in an update of the runtime enviroment.

But thanks for the info from the Silverlight Team ! Really looking forward to it in FF3.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Alexei Pavlov — Sun, 11 May 2008 11:14:54 GMT

CannotResolveSymbol wrote:

No, it isn't. That page works fine here (and I'm even running Minefield).

The browser check happens in Silverlight.js, which is stored on the site hosting the content. So, a site could modify the file to allow FF3 to work (but it would be difficult, because the code has no line breaks).

This also means that, unless a fix is released and deployed literally everywhere Silverlight 1.0 is used, you'll never see all sites supporting Firefox 3.

Wow! It works! Just created a Silverlight app and tried to open it FF3. It doesn't works with standard "Silverlight.js", but when I've replaced content by "Silverlight.js" content from "microsoft.com/silverlight" everything was fixed and SL was initiated inside FF3. Cool...

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

JonathonW — Sun, 11 May 2008 01:51:51 GMT

BlackTiger wrote:

GoddersUK wrote:
DukeNukem wrote:Does anybody know when SilverLight will work in FireFox 3? Can't install it....

Ok... don't ask me to explain... It doesn't work anywhere else, but:

It's IETab plug-in... Mozilla and IE render some fonts differently.

No, it isn't. That page works fine here (and I'm even running Minefield).

The browser check happens in Silverlight.js, which is stored on the site hosting the content. So, a site could modify the file to allow FF3 to work (but it would be difficult, because the code has no line breaks).

This also means that, unless a fix is released and deployed literally everywhere Silverlight 1.0 is used, you'll never see all sites supporting Firefox 3.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Alexei Pavlov — Sat, 10 May 2008 22:31:06 GMT

GoddersUK wrote:

DukeNukem wrote:Does anybody know when SilverLight will work in FireFox 3? Can't install it....

Ok... don't ask me to explain... It doesn't work anywhere else, but:

It's IETab plug-in... Mozilla and IE render some fonts differently.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

GoddersUK — Fri, 09 May 2008 21:05:03 GMT

DukeNukem wrote:
Does anybody know when SilverLight will work in FireFox 3? Can't install it....

Ok... don't ask me to explain... It doesn't work anywhere else, but:

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Alexei Pavlov — Tue, 06 May 2008 15:17:42 GMT

intelman wrote:
Channel9's editor works fine in Firefox Beta 3, I think the only real issue is Silverlight.

Yep, it works fine. I found a reason. It was my play around "agent string".

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

intelman — Tue, 06 May 2008 01:37:51 GMT

Channel9's editor works fine in Firefox Beta 3, I think the only real issue is Silverlight.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

JonathonW — Tue, 06 May 2008 01:23:15 GMT

BlackTiger wrote:
Tried to override User Agent String... Doesn't work... So, I'm not sure in my "Q4"... BTW... C9 message text editor doesn't works in FF3 as well...

It doesn't? Guess I'm not posting, then....

You might have messed up your user agent string or something, but I've been running Firefox 3 since Beta 2 and haven't ever had trouble with the C9 editor (aside from the issue of having to click twice on Design to be able to change back from HTML mode).

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Alexei Pavlov — Tue, 06 May 2008 00:26:02 GMT

Tried to override User Agent String... Doesn't work... So, I'm not sure in my "Q4"... BTW... C9 message text editor doesn't works in FF3 as well...

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Alexei Pavlov — Mon, 05 May 2008 23:31:03 GMT

Rowan wrote:
Silverlight doesn't load in Firefox 3 because it specifically sniffs out 'Firefox' from the UA, and Firefox 3's UA doesn't mention Firefox at all: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9pre) Gecko/2008050506 Minefield/3.0pre

Silverlight works fine in any Gecko browser however, so all it has to check for is the word 'Gecko' and everything would be fine.

When Firefox 3 is released in June Silverlight should start working.

No! It's not enough time... Imagine how many "levels of management" should pass this "fix"... No... Q4, in best case.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Rowan — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:40:24 GMT

Silverlight doesn't load in Firefox 3 because it specifically sniffs out 'Firefox' from the UA, and Firefox 3's UA doesn't mention Firefox at all: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9pre) Gecko/2008050506 Minefield/3.0pre

Silverlight works fine in any Gecko browser however, so all it has to check for is the word 'Gecko' and everything would be fine.

When Firefox 3 is released in June Silverlight should start working.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

nerddawg — Mon, 05 May 2008 22:22:25 GMT

DukeNukem wrote:
Does anybody know when SilverLight will work in FireFox 3? Can't install it....

Barring unforeseen circumstances, Firefox 3 support is planned for the upcoming Beta 2 of Silverlight 2. This was on the cards for SL 2 Beta 1 and was working internally until a build of FF3 introduced changes which broke our functionality shortly before SL2 Beta 1 was due to be out. These issues have since been resolved and we have this combination working in our internal test passes.

Ashish Shetty
Program Manager, Silverlight

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

YearOfTheLinuxDesktop — Mon, 05 May 2008 18:19:51 GMT

intelman wrote:
Honestly silverlight just seems all hypey. People are loving Adobe Air though, but I really don't want to install AIR. I don't have any issues with silverlight, but the penetration and support just sucks. I use FF3 as my main browser, it is pretty sad when a Beta browser is the best browser...and since Silverlight doesn't work with it, I just don't use it.

ietab?

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

intelman — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:34:07 GMT

Honestly silverlight just seems all hypey. People are loving Adobe Air though, but I really don't want to install AIR. I don't have any issues with silverlight, but the penetration and support just sucks. I use FF3 as my main browser, it is pretty sad when a Beta browser is the best browser...and since Silverlight doesn't work with it, I just don't use it.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Alexei Pavlov — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:31:17 GMT

DukeNukem wrote:
Does anybody know when SilverLight will work in FireFox 3? Can't install it....

Hopefully... "Coming soon"... If SL team still alive...

SL absence is only a reason why I can't use FF3...

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

W3bbo — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:22:50 GMT

vesuvius wrote:
The BBC's new IPlayer is basically Adobe flash player 9. I am really surprised at the streaming quality which is quite good. Silverlight on the other hand is temperemental and the quality is 'piss poor'. On channel 9 the image and sound become asyncronous as soon as you go full screen.

There may be good silverlight players but I am yet to see one. and none are better than the one at the beeb.

There won't be better Silverlight players, they all use the same video components.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

vesuvius — Mon, 05 May 2008 17:21:41 GMT

The BBC's new IPlayer is basically Adobe flash player 9. I am really surprised at the streaming quality which is quite good. Silverlight on the other hand is temperemental and the quality is 'piss poor'. On channel 9 the image and sound become asyncronous as soon as you go full screen.

There may be good silverlight players but I am yet to see one. and none are better than the one at the beeb.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

You can't handle my name — Mon, 05 May 2008 16:51:41 GMT

meh who cares you ain't exactly missing much done with Silverlight and as a player itself it offers even less user control over the content displayed in the browser.. its about as primitive as IE7 & IE8 by the looks of things.. Silverlight a crummy settings panel with an about dialog and an update panel( no surprise that).. nothing like: disable sounds(mute)/force low quality(no anti aliasing/stop/print etc even less control for the user than flash player... its just extra bloat with high cpu usage and zero GPU h/w acceleration. and thats high cpu usage when you aren't even viewing the same tab as silverlight content.. - junk

Quite franky there is nothing about it that has even made me curious enough to try out the development side of it... will wait for Silverlight 3 and see what they've actually done by then.

Re: FF3 and Silverlight

Ramble — Mon, 05 May 2008 15:32:27 GMT

Sooner rather than later I would think. A better question is when are MS devs going to get their head out of their arse and get Silverlight ready for Opera? The same goes for whatever idiot decided this site would be just as dandy with only IE and FF support.