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Re: Re: Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

Stefán Jökull Sigurðarson — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 22:21:01 GMT

Apparently the native Windows webservices are based on a subset of WCF :)

Re: Re: Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

section31 — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 05:43:25 GMT

I thought they moved from XP kernel to the Server 2003 kernel

Re: Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

Scott — Sun, 11 Jan 2009 03:45:03 GMT

I agree. The focus turned to security and MS had spent little or no time improving it for Longhorn. So they scrapped what they had and started over from an XP SP2 base.

Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

DouglasH — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:32:52 GMT

I would say it is a little short sighted to say the reset occured because of .net.

It was more a dependacy issue than a .net issue. And a moving dependacy issue, things broke build to build because the underlying dependacy changed build to build.

Add to that the Sasser, Blaster and other worm attacks and the obvious fact that updates were not being applied.

Looking back, the Reset was caused more precisely by the Blaster Worm attack which forced MS to basically significantly rewrite and recompile portions of XP. portions of which were in 2k3. That undertaking took significant Manpower from the OS group to the support group at MS. Effectly stopping development on Vista.

The aftermath was that when sp2 was complete, the resulting code base synced with the 2k3 code base. And a Strong advancement in security from the base started in earnest. Part of the Security review was the new check in policy which was to ensure that the module was working before checked into main. so the concept was scaled back. also due to populiar demand some of the features were then abstracted and brought down level. (avalon being the biggest one)

of course this IMHO>

Douglas

Re: Re: Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

W3bbo — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:27:50 GMT

Who is using WebServices outside of Enterprise anyway? UDDI is dead anyway.

Re: Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

section31 — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 23:01:52 GMT

Yes, and Windows 7 gets native code webservice support in competition to WCF? Why?

Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

AndyC — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:31:23 GMT

They said it was due to .NET at the time. You have to remember that CLR version 2 wasn't ready at the time and the circular dependencies were causing all manner of issues, for Longhorn, VS2005 and SQL server.

Re: Longhorn RESET caused by .Net?

brian.shapiro — Sat, 10 Jan 2009 22:19:31 GMT

Even though Microsoft later denied that they were ever intending to make the Windows shell based on WPF or make the next release of Office based on WPF, there was a lot of communication from Microsoft which suggested that they actually were intending that. It always felt to me like Microsoft was backtracking, after they realized their big 'bet the company' move wasn't working out.