<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><?xml-stylesheet type="text/xsl" media="screen" href="/App_Themes/default/rss.xslt"?><rss version="2.0" xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/" xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom" xmlns:trackback="http://madskills.com/public/xml/rss/module/trackback/" xmlns:wfw="http://wellformedweb.org/CommentAPI/" xmlns:slash="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/slash/" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/" xmlns:evnet="http://www.mscommunities.com/rssmodule/"><channel><title>Comment Feed for Chris Sells: On the History of DevCon, DSLs and Oslo (Charles on Channel 9)</title><atom:link rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" href="http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/charles/chris-sells-history-of-devcon/rss/default.aspx" /><image><url>http://mschnlnine.vo.llnwd.net/d1/Dev/App_Themes/C9/images/feedimage.png</url><title>Comment Feed for Chris Sells: On the History of DevCon, DSLs and Oslo (Charles on Channel 9)</title><link>http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Chris-Sells-History-of-DevCon/</link></image><description>Chris Sells: On the History of DevCon, DSLs and Oslo</description><link>http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Chris-Sells-History-of-DevCon/</link><language>en-us</language><pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:19:40 GMT</pubDate><lastBuildDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:19:40 GMT</lastBuildDate><generator>EvNet (EvNet, Version=1.0.3608.3122, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=null)</generator><item><title>Re: Chris Sells: On the History of DevCon, DSLs and Oslo</title><description>&lt;P&gt;&amp;nbsp;If I am defining a schema, language, repository and have customers using this system, how do I update the language and deal with migration?&amp;nbsp; The flexibility of being able to change the language, that is designed to be understandable by our customers sounds great in theory but what about this issue of versioning?&amp;nbsp; Do I brute force it, or are there going to be tools to deal with it?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;The upfront understanding of the entire domain, while trying to remain flexible to customer demands and changing understanding/requirements begs a sample from the Oslo team where we can see how a real development process would operate in the Oslo world.&amp;nbsp; Not just a one off sample, but&amp;nbsp;a real application, with real changing requirements.&amp;nbsp; I know that it's going to come ... I just hope it's sooner than later, because I think we'll need a ton of guidance on this and a lot of help wading through the change of perspective necessary to utililize this kind of platform.&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;I think Oslo will have one of the biggest learning curves in a very long time.&amp;nbsp; I have just recently been able to teach and encourage a fellow developer to use lamda expressions in C# 3.5 to solve a problem he was having, much simpler than he would ever have done before, but it took a year of encouragement to help him begin to "see the light".&amp;nbsp; I am afraid that since I have to point people to a video of the PDC to even try to explain Oslo, that it will be a very long and arduous task to bring Oslo to market.&amp;nbsp; I look forward to the day that I can go into a contract where people are using DSLs to define the system, but I really have strong doubts about it happening anytime soon.&amp;nbsp; What kind of roadmap does the Oslo team see, for the market penetration and developer mindshare that Oslo will achieve?&lt;BR&gt;&lt;BR&gt;Please concentrate some effort into making a "real-world application" built on Oslo, so we can use it to guide ourselves and others.&lt;/P&gt;</description><comments></comments><link>http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Chris-Sells-History-of-DevCon/?CommentID=468845</link><pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 01:19:40 GMT</pubDate><guid isPermaLink="false">http://channel9.msdn.com/posts/Charles/Chris-Sells-History-of-DevCon/?CommentID=468845</guid><evnet:views>0</evnet:views><evnet:viewtrackingurl>http://channel9.msdn.com/468845/WebViewBug.aspx?EVT=0</evnet:viewtrackingurl><evnet:previewtext>&amp;nbsp;If I am defining a schema, language, repository and have customers using this system, how do I update the language and deal with migration?&amp;nbsp; The flexibility of being able to change the language, that is designed to be understandable by our customers sounds great in theory but what about&amp;#8230;</evnet:previewtext><dc:creator>Richard.Hein</dc:creator><slash:comments>0</slash:comments><wfw:commentRss></wfw:commentRss><trackback:ping>http://channel9.msdn.com/468845/Trackback.aspx</trackback:ping></item></channel></rss>